So if there was no Iraq war there would be no Muslim extremists? The article itself states that extremists used the war to recruit. So the extremists already existed. Amazing
Assuming you are actually being serious and not trying to make silly debating points. There were extremists before the Iraq War. There have been extremists throughout the ages. A few. Our stupid war that we were lied into helped this small number recruit many many more. This is important and why they have become more of a threat. Many of our responses such such as drone strikes have been widely noted to create more extremists than they eliminate. It is not enough to just be enraged and scared to diminish the threat.
Connecting more dots for you: France was opposed to the Iraq war, just like Germany. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/22/germany.france And why are the extremists even concerned about the Iraq war, if they live in France, grew up in France, received benefits from the French state (that was opposed to the Iraq war)? Right - because they view France as part of the "evil West" (just like glynch does). And they have the "us vs. them" mentality many Muslims have - the Muslim narrative is that any perceived attack on any Muslim means an attack on them, too. That is what they are taught in the mosques. So the real root cause is the death cult ideology and the way it is taught. There - more dots connected for you. You are welcome.
These three most likely would not be extremists considering the act that influenced them to become extremists, the Iraq War, wouldn't have happened therefore these three would not have committed these acts of terrorism and the dead people would still be alive. There, I connected the dots for you again. AMAZING!
France is part of the West. LOL You're a lost cause. Seems you got confused there. They became radicalized by the war, they attacked the paper because of the cartoon. Try to follow along.
Most likely? So there was a chance they'd become extremists anyway? Tell me this- is there anything the people in the middle East do that has nothing to do with the West? Are they responsible for anything?
Whichever way you try to spin it - the root cause is their fanatical belief in a fascist death cult ideology that disabled their ability to think rationally. They were essentially brainwashed by radical Islam.
France stayed out of the Iraq war. If these people attacked in France because of the Iraq war, they are a bit confused. Participants in Multinational Force Iraq - 1 (aka the coalition of the willing): United States United Kingdom South Korea Italy Australia Poland Georgia Ukraine Spain Netherlands Romania Japan Denmark Bulgaria Thailand El Salvador Honduras Dominican Republic Czech Republic Hungary Azerbaijan Albania Nicaragua Mongolia Singapore Norway Latvia Portugal Lithuania Slovakia Bosnia and Herzegovina Macedonia New Zealand Tonga Philippines Armenia Estonia Kazakhstan Moldova Iceland
France is actually one of the only western nations that historically stood side by side with the Arab world. Understanding the mentality of the arab world is knowing that if they percieve weakness in you- they will not respect you. They will crash you. This is their mentality and its different than ours. We need to understand it, and fast. They respect power. Hence Daash (IS). The more horrible and horrific acts they do, the more they get support within the arab world. France is concieved as a weak nation that is afraid to confront acts of terrorism. Algiria is the prototype of Yassar Arrafat to the methods of terror civilian population to put fear in peoples heart and influence the government by terror. France cave to terror once, why won't they do it again? Terror cells are spread around France for years now without being dealt at all. There have been horrible terror acts on Jewish schools with virtually no response from civilians as well as government. If this incident does not lead to a strong and powerfull stand against the acts of terror. We will see many more of them in Europe. If you thing Imperialism is the reason for it, you're right. But saying that the arab world does not have imperialistic aspirations- here is where you are fooling yourself. Imperialism existed through-out history, you just want to be sure to be on the right side of it. Welcome to earth 101
This is so true, but people like Northside Fart keep posting articles about some stones or whatever being thrown at mosques - never anything about the anti-Jewish crimes by Muslims in France, Germany, England and all over the world - the left will do their utmost to propagate the myth of Muslims being victims...even when Muslims keep murdering people all over the world.
And I'll quote Muammer Gaddafi to make my point clear: "We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades." This is the narrative here, so stop looking the other way. If you don't want your children and grandchildren to live under Sharia law then you must step up and say so now. Before its too late. And I'm talking mainly to moderate/secular Muslims here, because they are the ones that can change things around while they're still a majority.
Yeah, as horrible colonialists. lol nice try. Try researching the Algerian War of Independence and the brutality and torture techniques of the French. Complete crap. Brutally ignorant and the mirror image of ISIS in its fanaticism and simplicity.. This type of rhetoric --complete dismissive dehumanism and of another ethnic/religious group-- is shocking to American ears, but I guess mainstream in Israel. At best It seems so reminiscent of the casual hardcore racism of the Jim Crow South.
Nivos, just so that you know: glynch is a raging Israel hater because he thinks that fits best with his extreme left view of the world. Don't take him too seriously.
ive never read anywhere that secular and moderate moslems are a majority. how can they change things around? we gave moderates 15 yeara to stop the crazies after september 11 but they couldnt do it. i admire how israel contains the moslems. we may need something like that in all cities around the world where a small section is walled off and kept under close watch and checkpoints at every exit to see who and what comes in and goes. you were there first. the moslems stole your land and changed the jewish culture. israel is just ahead of the curve. My church donates a lot to yall and takes trips every year. they said its very nice and clean. Guess where the dirty and crime areas are? shows you the moslems just cant be helped.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/07/us-france-antisemitism-idUSBREA060ES20140107 Freedom of speech you say? French cities ban comedian accused of anti-Semitic jibes
Complete crap. Brutally ignorant and the mirror image of ISIS in its fanaticism and simplicity.. This type of rhetoric --complete dismissive dehumanism and of another ethnic/religious group-- is shocking to American ears, but I guess mainstream in Israel. At best It seems so reminiscent of the casual hardcore racism of the Jim Crow South.[/QUOTE] Glynch I'm sure by now that you're not naive as you pretend to be. The arab world respond to power and only with power you can stand against it, not berring gifts. This is not racism just looking around at our neighbours. This culture is almost impossible to understand sitting in America, but only when you look not from your western moral standards you can see it. For the thread subject you posted, Israel has nothing to do with it, even France is not the subject as some people here showed your assumption was wrong from the first place. France wasn't in the coalition to attack Iraq. The real subject here is the Imperialist aspirations of the Muslim world. Although you are trying to throw sand in peoples eyes, I'm glad ATW is here to show people that there is a Jihad war going on today. And its not local, it is Global, and its real, and its all around us. I just hope people will wake up. Now before you start putting words in my mouth- I do not expect people to react in violence against Muslims. The opposite. I expect citizens to stand by each other in support of their government. I expect governments to be strong and non comprimise against terrorist but at the same time I expect moderate Muslims to shout out loud- we don't want to live under Sharia law. We stand by our governments and will do anything in our power to stop the Jihadist among us. Just don't pretend there isn't a war going on, otherwise it will reach to YOUR doorstep.
There's a chance anyone, including you, could become an extremist. That's the nature of the future, it's unpredictable.
