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Ariza and Beverley

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DudeWah, Jan 10, 2015.

  1. DudeWah

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    The starting line-up of this team has been struggling a long time.

    At this point I'm convinced that you can't have both Ariza and Bev in the starting line-up and that this is vital to this team's continued success. Once again, I don't think the issue is one or the other. I think it's both in the starting line-up, logging heavy minutes and high usage together.

    Neither can make a play and both try way too hard to do so. It almost always ends in a net negative for the Rockets. Any possession when either guy holds the ball for most of the shot clock is bad news for the Rockets. And this happens all too often.

    Not a fan of this. This team needs help on the offensive end due to the ineptness of both Ariza and Bev. I'm more inclined the change needs to be a replacement of Bev than Ariza.
     
  2. Sydeffect

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    Beverly is on a shooting slump, it happens.

    Ariza's been playing at his worst, but there is nowhere else to go but up for him.
     
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    McHale doesn't have the cubes but I wouldn't be opposed to experimenting with putting Brewer and Terry in the starting lineup.
     
  4. LosPollosHermanos

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    Both have a hard time understanding their role. Like tonight, I see both of them isoing way too much, dribble dribble--shoot or pass at the end of the clock. The only guy that kind of gets a pass for that is James.

    Coach needs to reel them in and remind them to swing the ball around more. Neither is quick like AB was at cutting to the basket and making crazy bounce passes, it just isn't going to work.
     
  5. Sydeffect

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    You people do realize Brewer is not a great defender right?

    When he's playing straight up defense he gets beat too many times to be considered a great defender.
     
  6. LosPollosHermanos

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    for example, ariza played much better last season because he had a very strict role. This season he seems to be trying to relive that yearn with us that we like to think never happened. He needs to stay set and shoot, or make the cut when he has the lane. No dribble iso dribble.
     
  7. LosPollosHermanos

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    Brewer is amazing. Go away.


    signed--BOF
     
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    Canaan looked great when he started, the defensive drop off is negated by his better shooting and ability to get to the paint
     
  9. Sydeffect

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    My main issue with Ariza is not him missing open shots because that will eventually come.

    It's his shot selection that infuriates me. Instead of being a regular spot up jumper, he would do things like come off a screen and shoot 3's with a man in front of him. Or he would try to create a 3 point shot with a couple of dribbles instead of passing it.
     
  10. DudeWah

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    Exactly. And I honestly feel Bev is the worst play maker at the point guard position in the NBA. There is hardly ever a time I feel he makes the right pass. That may be an exaggeration, but even considering such a hyperbole is telling.
     
  11. DudeWah

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    It's because this team needs a point guard that is above average on offense to go along with having a SF that is below average on offense. That's just how the team is made since the ball is in Harden's hand the majority of the time.

    When the ball is out of Harden's hand there has to be a perimeter player who can make a play. Neither Bev, nor Ariza can do that. Canaan can.

    I can't wait till Beverley is traded or put on the bench. He's maxed his skill set out and is just holding the team back at this point.
     
  12. Sydeffect

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    You don't need him to do playmaking as long as he's hitting his 3's and playing good defense. Several teams have won rings with not so great PG play.

    Rockets could win the ring with him at PG, but they need a change of pace PG off the bench.
     
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    There is not enough structure in the offense. So if the defense against us is good, Beverly and Ariza just go blank and try to create with the same ****ty moves.
     
  14. LosPollosHermanos

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    Pg upgrade is obvious , but Bev is a much better player than he has been lately. Last season or earlier this year he didn't do nearly this much dribbling. Idk what happened to the inside out game. Hit dmo or Dwight, or keep swinging it around. Everytime I see us run the ball up, there are too many times where there is no pass. Maybe a trade is in the works so they aren't bothering telling him to stop, but it is unacceptable.
     
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    No it isn't. The points are valid but the GARM becomes a mockery of reality when people convince themselves with their own irony and/or hyperbole.

    Like how McHale isn't the best strategist in the league by any measure, but people convince themselves that the hyperbole is warranted and it warps the true perception. Err on the side of caution and reason, not on hyperbole.
     
  16. DudeWah

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    This generally true. But once again, you can't have two guys who can't make a play on the perimeter as this team is constructed. Eventually good teams will just smother james and we will be exposed.

    Miami won with Chalmers as their starting pg. But they also had Lebron and Wade who could both create on the floor with him.

    We have Harden and...Harden.
     
  17. DudeWah

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    Contract year.
     
  18. LosPollosHermanos

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    Well he shouldn't be playmaking as much as he has been . He doesn't have the speed, skill, or vision to set others up. A lot of this falls on the lack of structure in the offense ....it's super scary that any player can come up and ISO on a play.
     
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    Pat must have banged OP's gf or something. Every post he makes is anti-Bev.
     
  20. Sydeffect

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    Lakers won 2 rings starting Kobe, Ariza, Artest, and Fisher.

    It wouldn't be a big problem if Dwight wasn't in such a funk on offense.
     
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