Sources: Pistons asking for a first-round pick for disgruntled Greg Monroe

This.

We need another playmaker on the perimeter and Dragic solves that problem.

Harden-Dragic-Beverley trio with any two on the floor at the same time is an excellent option.

 

Greg Monroe is leaving the pistons after this season for nothing. There is bad blood. Any team trading for him is essentially paying for a half season rental. How much is a half season rental of Monroe worth? Losing teams don't want him because they want to continue to lose. Teams with cap space don't want him now because they can get for free in the off-season. Winning teams can't eat his contract unless they have something that Pistons want in return other than a pick.

 

It don't even matter. A first round pick is useless. It ain't like it was some significant loss if they don't get a first round pick.

Build any narrative you want, but until Monroe leaves, he's still there. Period, and that alone is worth more than a first round pick.

 

Asik is better than Monroe. Just saying.

 

I'm sure Lamarcus Aldridge's eyez would light up if he had D-Mo guarding him opposed to Monroe in the playoffs


Greg Monroe>D-Mo

 

SVG the GM is such a failure it isn't funny. When they signed Josh Smith, it meant Monroe had to go since the three together obviously aren't a long-term solution.

Should have dealt him before the season when a team might have given them something worthwhile.

Monroe wants a max contract. He turned down $60 million last summer the Pistons shouldn't have offered in the first place.

 

The receiving team wouldn't have any financial advantage, but I do think there is still some advantage in incumbency. Monroe gets a half-season to build relationships in that team and, assuming he likes the situation well enough, he's likely to pick the incumbent over other suitors if the money is the same.

I think the point was that Houston would use the TPE to accomodate the trade, not so much that Detroit gets a TPE of their own. They'd be in it for the first rounder. I suppose the clarity can only help though.

On the Monroe-Dragic-pick trade, it's Phoenix that comes out a bit light. Houston would get good value for the pick. Detroit gets something better than their leverage should dictate. Phoenix gets a decent player, but without bird rights they carry a lot of risk. I think Detroit would need to throw something else Phoenix's way to balance things.

 

Chucked with an extra low BB IQ

 

I don't think he is a Morey kind of guy, he will get the max from someone and he is not worth the max.

DD

 

He's The Tyreke Evans of Power Forwards.

 

The Pistons would be making that trade for a lottery pick and not the TPE.

 

Dmo>>>>> monroe and i dont wanna mess with the team rn i want to see this team at full strength before a trade

 

I like Monroe but what's the point of getting him when DMO looks better? With DMO we have a legit post threat who can somehow play with Howard without taking away his rebs, points and isnt a defensive liability, has anybody who comments on this thread really seen Monroe play? Plus he wants the max, why the F would we trade a guy we could get in the summer if we cough up the max for him? I guess if he was worth the max the Pistons would've paid him, since they didn't I don't think he's good enough to trade our lottery pick for.

 

Did you read the thread? The guy proposed us getting Dragic.

 

Los Angeles — Such is life in the NBA when a future unrestricted free agent has to deal with his name in the rumor mill, on the dawn of true trade activity.

But Greg Monroe was especially perturbed at the report from the Sporting News that claimed the Pistons are looking for a first-round pick for him, and that Monroe "badly" wants to get out of town.

"It was news to me, news to everybody else," Monroe said. "That's honest."

"After losing 13 straight, getting a couple games, then you have to hear this, getting ready for a game. At this point, it's definitely annoying because we're trying to turn things around right here, right now. And I have to answer for something I have absolutely nothing to do with. It is annoying."

Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy of course has final say on personnel matters and was equally annoyed about the report.

"I don't know where that stuff comes from," Van Gundy said. "We haven't talked to anybody about trading Greg Monroe. We know there are teams with interest but that's it."

Monroe first saw something on his Instagram page, when a kid made a comment on one of his pictures. Then he was notified by team personnel upon entering the Staples Center on Monday night, hours before the Pistons' game against the Los Angeles Clippers.

"Everyone knows he wants out of there," the source told Sporting News. "There is almost nothing he would shoot down."

Monroe had to deal with his name being in the rumor mill all summer, when he was trying to facilitate a trade or long-term deal with the Pistons as a restricted free agent. He returned to a one-year deal, per the CBA, earning himself the right to choose his own team next summer.

"Same thing that happened this summer," Monroe said. "They put that stuff out there, say I said it and then I have to answer for it."

In the meantime, any trade would have to be approved by Monroe, who would then forfeit his Larry Bird Rights — rights that allow his current team to go over the salary cap to re-sign him — and that doesn't appear realistic at this point.

It wouldn't be surprising to see the Pistons dangle Monroe around to see what they can get for him, considering they'd likely lose him for nothing this offseason. But they'll likely test the market for Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings as well.

Monroe's situation is a lot murkier than theirs, and Monroe said he and management haven't broached the subject of a trade.

"There would be so much to go into that decision. It's something I haven't even … I don't know dates, I haven't been thinking about it," Monroe said. "I've just been thinking about basketball. If they feel the need to come to me, I would have to have the discussion but that discussion would have to be initiated by them, not by me."

With Dec. 15 being the first day teams can begin trading players who signed deals over the summer, Monroe's name was a natural one to come up, given his status, the Pistons' crowded frontcourt and the way the team has underperformed to start the season.

"To say I'm unhappy … losing 13 in a row, nobody's happy when you're losing 13 in a row," Monroe said. "Where he took it was completely false. And it's totally ridiculous I have to answer questions like this."

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2014/12/15/pistons-monroe-denies-report-wants-detroit/20464739/

 

The OP's proposed trade is TRULY one of the rare BBS trades that seems pretty fair all around. Maybe some movement at the edges, but that is really just filler.

Could the other teams get something better for what they are giving up? maybe, maybe not. Neither Monroe or Dragic are anything more than rentals.

But Greg Monroe was a better player when he was a center. In fact he was a REALLY good player. He had a 22 PER as a 21 year old, and wasn't horrible defensively (not great, not bad). The Smith signing was beyond moronic for a team that also drafted Drummond. Both moves have hurt Smith's career.

Phoenix could REALLY use a center. Like, REALLY. And they are hurtling a bit out of control. With the Thunder coming on strong and the rest of the top 7 clearly better than Phoenix, even such a trade might not make them a playoff team, but it should make them compete for the final spot again and they'd be in no worse shape this offseason - just instead of deciding what to pay a player at a duplicate position, they are deciding whether to pay a player at a position of need.

The Pistons are going to lose Monroe. That's obvious. Perhaps the Pelicans pick isn't good enough return, but considering their COMPLETE lack of leverage in the situation, it really isn't that bad at all.

It's a solid trade for the Rockets for obvious reasons. Dragic is an improvement at the PG spot... and even if they had to give up a Canaan or Johnson, too, with Harden/Dragic/Beverly getting the majority of the backcourt minutes, spelled by Terry, it's a REALLY GOOD, veteran backcourt equally adept offensively and defensively. Also, Dragic DEFINITELY can play the SG position in spells, as he did last year. He wasn't as effective at the SG, but he still put up a 17.5 PER as a SG. When you consider his time at SG would be either (i) against some other teams subs, or (ii) playing small ball with Harden at SF... Dragic should work just fine for 10-15 mpg at SG if necessary.

It's a win-win-win trade, and I hope it happens, and happens soon.

The Rockets get a player they are targeting without giving up any of DMo, TJones or Beverly. That'd be amazing. They wouldn't have a ton of assets left to upgrade the PF, so you'd REALLY be putting your PF fate in the DMo remains solid (ESPECIALLY defensively) and TJones comes back to give you production (and now off the bench against subs?). I think that's a bet Morey makes, and I'd make. You can't be AMAZING at every position while having a deep bench. It'd be nice, but it's just not possible.

 

No doubt Dragic would provide an upgrade on this team, by virtue of being an actual point guard and talented one at that.

But what I'm saying is that I don't see switching Beverely for Dragic in the starting line-up as a big upgrade. The perfect starting point guard for Harden would be one that can shoot the three well (>40%), plays great defense and is willing to let James be the primary playmaker most of the time but can do some play making as well. If Beverley keeps shooting the way he has (46%), he does all of that except create for others.

Creating for others is what Dragic does extremely well, but he isn't a great three point shooter (36% this season / 36% for his career) and he isn't the defender and pest Beverley is.

While Dragic would provide an upgrade to this team, is using the TPE and/or the NOP pick to get him worth it? We do need a secondary playmaker but maybe Canaan can be that once he returns? He showed some flashes of it but who knows?

Honestly, I would like the Rockets to use the TPE to find an addition wing player (Wilson Chandler) to help limit the minutes of Ariza and (Harden even when Pap comes back( or to find a suitable (aka above 6'11) center to backup Howard.

 

Using the TPE on Dragic is definitely worth it. You can use him like the Spurs have used Manu off the bench for so many years. Even if he didn't start there would be 30+ minutes available for him as the backup pg/sg and smaller lineups where Harden is playing the 3. It could be enough to make the Rockets a WCF or Finals team. For the right amount of money Dragic might be willing to stay in that role. The Rockets would have to roll the dice if that's all it took to get Goran.

 

That's a great trade suggestion by OP.
The Pelican pick should be more than enough for the Pistons to give up Monroe. The Suns may be asking for some extra sweeteners, but we should be willing to give up a 2nd rounder or two.

 

Well said.