We're talking about a LATE 1st rd pick (likely 24-28) and Morey has gone on record saying those aren't as valuable as 2nd rounders. Guaranteed contracts and all. Also, Lin was a depreciating asset and had to packaged with that pick in order to draw interest from other GMs. That's how far his stock had fallen after the Portland series. The Pellie's lottery pick is our REAL trade asset.
No way LIn was going to generate any win shares right now. his confidence wS **** sirh the franchise. Why don't you guys just not look back ?
Yup, and the TPE combined with Canaan's remarkable development is with more than Lin and a late 1st rounder.
You still don't get it, do you? Lin at the deadline only owed $10.6 million plus $3 million of cash, plus our first round pick WOULD HAVE BEEN WORTH WAY MORE THAN AN $8.4 MILLION TPE!!!!!!!
But it's not worth more than Canaan's remarkable development (which isn't really development, he's just getting minutes, I already told you last year he was better than Lin) PLUS LIN'S EXPIRING CONTRACT PLUS OUR FIRST ROUND PICK!!!!
I'm not angry at all. There's 3 posters that jumped on my post and DISTORTED IT!!!!! I'm going to fire back thank you.
We are most likely going to have to GIVE UP A SECOND ROUNDER just to FILL THE TPE!!! So essentially we're going to wind up trading Lin plus our first rounder plus our second rounder for.....some expiring useless player!!! Morey is already on record saying that if he knew Bosh was going to back out he would NEVER HAVE TRADED LIN!!! And the reason is trading Lin COST US AN ASSET!!!
Bullcrap. We're running Terry and his crappy defense and playmaking out there. Whoever thinks Terry is so much better than Lin doesn't know anything about basketball. Not to mention Lin being here WOULD HAVE NOT PREVENTED US FROM STILL MAKING HTE SAME TRADE WE MADE FOR TERRY TO BEGIN WITH!! So the idea that it was Lin or Terry.....is crap.
I agree with this, but it doesn't change the fact that Morey made the trade before he had to, and ultimately it was a mistake from a GM perspective. You don't give up an asset like that (real risky asset if the Rockets miss the playoffs and it becomes a potential lottery pick in 2016), without assurances that you are getting Bosh. I know the situation at the time, but that compressed timeline was also Morey's doing in mishandling the Parsons contract situation (domino effect of making a deal with a snake like Fegan). As much as I love Morey, and wouldn't want anyone else, this is a stain on his resume we can't just overlook as objective observers. From a locker room, and player growth perspective, yes.. it was the right move to move Lin, but the cost the Rockets paid was too high to not just wait, and try to bench Lin & trade him as an expiring (along with all the Rockets 2015 cash) later on this February. The Rockets actually might be in a better situation with the TPE - the pick if the player they end up getting next week is a large enough expiring contract and the deal the Rockets end up doing (theoretically of course) wipes out enough bad salary from that other team to where it is of GREATER value to that team that a late first round pick. Alot of assumptions there. I think most GM's with 20/20 hindsight would say I'll keep Lin, try to bench him, and see how receptive teams will be to trading for Lin's expiring at the deadline if we makeup a good portion of the "additional salary" beyond his cap # that they will have to pay. That was always the kicker to consider with Jeremy Lin the tradeable contract. That damn poison pill. So yes, the Rockets were better off moving Lin, but I would have preferred to keep the pick, and see if the Rockets could move him later on without sacrificing that kind of an asset.
yeah, but would you have a taker for Lin this far in the season when guard rosters are filled up??? We could have been as easily stuck with him like last year when no one wanted to take Asik out of our hands at our price. Just let it go. We are glad we don't have to deal with Lin's inconsistencies this season. The team has responded well to Harden being the acknowledged leader. He's not complaining about his workload. In fact, he relishes it because he gets to showcase his talent. Soon enough, we'll need to rest him. Hopefully Canaan and Howard can play injury-free. Getting Papa back would also give us another facilitator.
C'mon now, Canaan has clearly improved his defense, shooting and dribble penetration from last season. It doesn't matter that you or I knew he was better than Lin, either. What matters is that other executives know it buy watching NBA game tape (not D-league) and reviewing his advanced metrics. That's what Morey has been able to do. Create minutes for Canaan to take the next leap in his early development. This, combined with the TPE, is still worth more than a negative asset (Lin) and a late 1st round guaranteed contract. Can't see why you're minimizing this. But it's all good. We're adults so we can agree to disagree.
Brandon Bass seems likely. $6,900,000 expiring, plus good fit, since we don't have any big man with mid range shot. Could we part our TE to get a cheaper expiring? I guess we can't... Cause I was thinking in Jason Smith, who would be another good fit, but gets only $3,278,000. Other expirings whose contracts would fit with our TE: - Ty Prince 7,7 - Landry Fields 6,4 - Chuck Hayes 5,9 - Derrick Williams 6,3 - Jason Richardson 6,6
I think we need to swing a deal for Greg Monroe or Timofey Mozgov. We don't have many assets at this point. No one is going to trade for Terrence Jones right now because of his injury. No one in their right minds would trade for Joey Dorsey, Tarik Black, or an injured K-Pap. So either Jones and K-Pap need to hit the court soon and build their trade value up or we have to use the TPE. Using the TPE means we cannot go over the 8.9 Million dollars that we have from the TPE. Guys we can go after: Brandon Bass Corey Brewer Wilson Chandler Timofey Mozgov Teletovic Mike Dunleavy Dion Waiters (rumor is they are willing to trade him, would they do it for a TPE?) Greg Monroe (On 1 yr deal + he hates Josh Smith. Probably leaving in offseason.) Ersan Ilyasova Sam Dalembert JR Smith (Don't want him at all) Tyler Hansbrough Kenneth Faried(rumor was they were willing to part ways with the guy) Kosta Koufos Dragic (not giving him up for just a TPE) Derrick Williams Jason Thompson Tyler Zeller We can't use the TPE to trade for anyone that is a big name. I would love to add Al Horford to this roster but it cannot happen unless we trade the TPE first and then trade for him at the deadline. If we could even assemble the assets to do it. Think small first guys and then think big at the deadline.
