I'm not hot on trading anyone, well maybe Cisco (I like the guy, actually, and actually when he's not actually on the court unless it's blow-out time actually), all I was suggesting is that Gibson-Tragic = two players unlikely to be signed by their present teams next summer. Terry is a guy I'm believing IF he's be dealt then today is the today because will he ever look more appealing than the present?
Then you would be wrong. You really do not think that Morey would deal D-Mo for Millsap or Dragic? Come on now.
Fair enough. We are all entitled to our opinion. Perhaps he D-Mo becomes a 18/8 player.... but he still has a lot to prove.
I agree. Do you agree DMo's breakout is due to finally not having to look over his shoulder for the quick hook from KMc as soon as he walks on the court? Go DMo, no - - stay here DMo.
Trust me. I'm a huge D-Mo fan myself. My point was just merely to make sure folks think a little bit about what they are getting excited about. Folks are getting excited about D-Mo turning a corner to finally realizing his talent in order to trade for basically an older version of himself that is about to be, if not already, on a max contract. That kind of thinking (not uncommon around here) is frankly.... pretty dumb. However, I don't think he's there yet to where we can say exactly what he's going to be in 5 years and if he's going to be a "Young guy you can build around". If you got a deal in place with D-Mo going out for a quality player, I still think that he's available and you HAVE TO take a swing at it even if D-Mo ends up proving himself after he's traded. BUT... if D-Mo proves over the next few months that he really is "A Young Guy You Can Build Around", we'd be kicking ourselves for trading him at this point in his career. I just think its funny that people are like "Oh great, he's good now so we can finally trade him for an older version of himself on a max contract... Great. Makes sense". Umm... No. Think about what you are suggesting folks.
I love Dmo and have been one of his biggest supporters here but if it's a straight up Dmo for Millsap trade, you got to do it IMO. Dmo may have the higher ceiling but fact remains that once Dwight is back, DMo's production will be mitigated. It will still be good, mind you, but there will be a definite decrease. He is not going to get as many post ups nor grab as many rebounds. So the question then becomes, who contributes more next to Dwight? Millsap or DMo? It's got to be Millsap, who can knock the 3 ball at a better rate and spread the floor better. To DMo's credit, he has the ability to play back up 5 when DH sits down but not sure that trumps what Millsap would bring.
Yes, he still has a lot to prove. Gotta improve his shooting from the FT line and from the 3-point line especially. Gotta prove he can grind with the big boys for an entire season. And gotta improve on making too many turnovers. Definintely room for impovement.
'Elite trade piece" is kind of subjective at this point. He's definitely a piece that GM's might very well demand. Would kind of remind me of the Knicks/Nuggets/Melo trade where Gallinari and Mozgov were demanded even though they were really kind of longshots to be stars, but a team like Denver just wanted to load up on these type of players. Teams will WANT D-Mo & also Jones (even though his injury might hold up deals). That's a given. However, are they going to PURSUE D-Mo and Jones outside of a deal they are already negotiating for? Like are GM's calling Morey about D-Mo with the internal thinking that "This is a Guy We Want to Build Around"???.... I Don't think he's there yet. If D-Mo is holding up a deal for a true stud player, I think Morey sends him out and doesn't think twice. However in a few months with consistent play, and a larger role, I could see D-Mo becoming a "piece" of a trade to a hotly pursued young player. I just don't think he's there yet IMO.
Gotta agree with you completely. I think you and Plowman might be working two sides of the same street (if we put you together there might be a scrum). One says, "I think Dmo is worth thiiiiiis much as an asset". The other says, "I'm not sure he's worth all THAT, not just yet, but he's very good." But you are both saying, "Why trade him? We're finally seeing what he can give us." Dmo is outplaying some of the dudes we wanted to trade for, hundreds of pages ago in this same thread. He might hit the wall if Dwight doesn't return soon, but that'll be a brief minor obstacle. Kid looks for real.
Absolutely. I'm far from disagreeing with Plow about D-Mo, but I might be a little more conservative about his value around the league vs. his value in Houston (where the value of a big with his skillset is probably at its highest). I think either way (other than a minor move w/ the TPE), this team stays the course till the deadline at the earliest with this core intact. There really isn't a reason to make a move until then, and you know that the likes of Millsap, Dragic, and Rondo aren't getting moved till then if they are even truly on the table at all this year. At that point, we will know whether its worth it to move D-Mo for a veteran or not. Right now is kind of a trial period either way. If he continues to look this good, then why would you trade away what you've been trying to acquire (and pay a ton of money for) for years? -Also, the side picking with D-Mo and Jones is ridiculous. What team in this league that is a contender doesn't value or even have at least 3 quality rotation bigs? Right now the Rockets have 1 all-star caliber big & a bunch of question marks elsewhere. Why you would automatically have to think that Jones is "trade bait" just because D-Mo has finally found some NBA success is beyond me-
If D-Mo averages 18/8 while shooting 50% and playing adequate to solid defense over the next few months, I agree that his trade value will great increase and the Rockets valuation will increase as well. However, it has been a small period of time that D-Mo has played well and it is without Howard playing next to him.
No, it doesn't come close yet IMO. TJ was always going to be more NBA ready...not as much upside. Whereas, DMo, has always had the high trajectory...boom or bust quality, if you will. TJ will never be the player DMo is becoming.
This team needs a playmaker/who can score out top ....along with the ability to D up. I think Jones goes out for that.
