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Another another unarmed black man shot by Police

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rockbox, Sep 25, 2014.

  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, the fact that it doesn't happen very often is proof positive that it isn't easy. A tenth of a percent of aggravated assaults result in death by beating. This minuscule percentage clearly shows that beating a person to death with one's fists is a difficult proposition at best.

    As I have said, repeatedly, the Brown case was clearly justified. However, even that case could have been approached with more caution. The cop could have used the speaker on his car without even opening a window and exposing himself to Brown in the first place. He could have asked the pair to move to a sidewalk from 20 feet away, taser or pepper spray at the ready. In a world where the cops are required to use nonlethal options before reaching for a firearm, these more cautious approaches would lead to fewer fatalities without dramatically increasing the risk.

    Again, the Brown case was clear. Anyone who reaches for a cop's gun needs to be prepared to take a bullet or eight.

    I've seen them in use, they looked pretty accurate and effective, especially since you just have to hit a person in the torso for them to be affected. I challenge anyone to be a threat to me after I hit you in the chest with a good amount of pepper spray like LEOs have. It would be a fun experiment, I suspect you wouldn't get any closer than 10 feet.

    It also can't be proven how Wilson approached the pair, whether he was abusive or derogatory, or how exactly the altercation in the car started. There was a LOT about the situation that we just have to take on faith because one of the parties is no longer alive.

    The evidence shows that there was likely a scuffle in the car, which is the reason that Wilson was justified. However, the evidence doesn't show us anything about the context of the situation.

    The community certainly has to take some of the fault, but so do the police.

    I haven't changed anything and don't have an "intended narrative."

    Bullsh!t. The fact that you can look at the statistics regarding rates of arrest, prosecution, and incarceration and not see a racial bias indicates that you have a pronounced racial bias.

    Because the statistics show one. Minorities are disproportionately arrested, prosecuted, and jailed. To be fair, it isn't all about race, a significant factor is socioeconomic status. However, since minorities are also disproportionately poor, this ends up being a double whammy for them.
     
  2. justtxyank

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    No, in this scenario the real world happens where there is no guarantee that a cop can win a physical altercation with every person he encounters.
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    The comparison is to PCSO in the UK. They handle things that actual cops aren't needed for. They are not really cops.

    Pepper pray doesn't cloud. It is a liquid, how can it have distance AND cloud? Do you know what pepper spray is.



    There are some subjective arguments, like "Could police do certain jobs safely while not armed?" I like discussing these things and freely admit I might be wrong about them.

    Then you have concrete facts like "Pepper spray is only effective when directly applied to eyes" "tasers are wildly inaccurate" "pepper spray is a spray" and "F22's will never be on a carrier". It is boring to argue these things.
     
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  4. Remii

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    Good thing for Wilson that we have to take his word with his BS story... I'm sure if the president believed Wilson's BS story he wouldn't be making the taxpayers cough up $260 million for body cams.

    "He reached for my gun"... Lolzzzzzzzz....!!! Yea that's a clear case.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    To me, it's credible enough to rule for the accused (Wilson) in case of doubt, especially considering Brown's behavior immediately before that in the grocery store. Brown was clearly acting like he didn't have to listen to anyone.
     
  6. Remii

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    Police officers are human too and have egos... Just the same regardless on if you think Wilson's story is credible _ us taxpayers are still flipping the bill for his BS story.
     
  7. g1184

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    Your cop stood there and took it. Doesn't sound like the real world.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    How would you KNOW it's BS? Only because of your own bias.
     
  9. TheRealist137

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    Well, I don't know, maybe because he's on trial and trying to save his own ass? You can't take either person at their word, you have to rely on eye witness accounts.
     
  10. edwardc

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    Speaking of witness accounts what happen to the dorian johnson account of what happen it wasn't released.
     
  11. Remii

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    How are you going to ask me a question and then turn around and answer the question you asked me in your same post... Usually bias people accuse others of being biased but I could just not be gullible. Just the same taxpayers have to pay the price.

    Wilson is 6'4 and said Brown was like Hulk Hogan to him...:rolleyes: If the cop who shot the guy at the gas station didn't have a dash cam he probably would have made up some BS story as well and you would swallow it whole also.
     
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    It was released, I read it in the evidence that was given out

    I don't remember which witness he was though, but it was pretty funny, because he sold his friend out and blamed the whole robbery on mike brown
     
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    I don't know how true that story is. Here's another article about one of those victims. It's different stories floating around.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-found-after-protests-in-ferguson-last-week/
    it's just a lot of dead bodies up that way.

    The other poster actually said Johnson and he's alive and well.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...Johnson-Snags-City-Government-Job-in-St-Louis
     
  17. the shark

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    Maybe they were killed because their testimony to the grand jury backed up Wilson's account of what happened.
     
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    This only works when the witnesses are white. Everyone knows, 1 white witness is comparable to 10 black witnesses.
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    The comparison is invalid because in the UK, there are drastically fewer guns owned by citizens.

    Do you?

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    Certainly, there are some jobs they could do safely while unarmed. However, that list is fairly short and could only be lengthened if the US dramatically reduced the number of guns owned by citizens, an outcome which seems unlikely at this point.

    Except that this isn't a "concrete fact." Pepper spray is effective on most people even when tangentially exposed. As an example, some moron set off a pepper spray canister in a movie theater I was in once, an action which cleared the entire theater.

    This doesn't surprise me, but doesn't change my opinion that nonlethal options should be tried first on unarmed persons.

    ...which has some delivery options that cause a cloud that can be effective even at a reasonable distance.

    Especially boring when one simply makes up the argument and then attributes it to you, as you did in your signature. Liar.
     

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