I guess it is OPEN SEASON to kill black men in America...no one seems to care.

I think you are missing the point here. These incidents are not isolated, but rather symptomatic of a larger problem in which the criminal-justice system in this country disproportionately targets minorities; prime example would be drug incarcerations where whites and blacks use at the same rate, but blacks are apprehended and imprisoned at much higher rates.

 

It's crazy how the POTUS and his cronies have divided us even farther as a country on race relations.

 

You're absolutely right, but not in the way that you think.

 

Explain how the **** it's the POTUS's fault he wasn't on the grand juries.

 

Part of that has to do with the government opening up the flood gates of unlimited drugs and guns into poor minority communities and limited educational funding creating a criminal pool which is a crop for the prison farm system.

 

The most hurtful racism is the type you will never see verbalized -- it is people choosing to live in communities far away from blacks, it is people not hiring blacks, it is people encouraging their sons/daughters to avoid blacks. These riots and protests, sadly, will only increase this type of racism. The unintended consequences of these riots and protests were not well considered prior to the organizers putting this in motion. If people truly want to address the racism issue, then they must educate black communities on family values, marriage, faith, and education. These are the bedrock sources of stability in a community.

 

Yeah, that's exactly the narrative that people are trying to confirm, but the criminal justice system isn't broken, it targets criminals and some commit more crimes than others also some are better at hiding their crimes than others. If you are out knocking over convenience stores and mugging people while having drugs on you, it's a lot more likely that you'll be caught with drugs than if you aren't out committing secondary crimes while possessing or using drugs. The assumption shouldn't be that simply because more people of one race get caught than another thus racism any more than we should assume the NBA is racist for having a disproportionately high number of black players.

 

The most hurtful racism is the idiot that thinks the protests consist of black people walking the streets, breaking windows and stealing ****:

New York:


Chicago:


Berkeley:


Posts like the quoted will sadly only increase this type of racism and were not well considered prior to being put in motion.

 

Agreed, people should know that the morons who are protesting are of many races, no one has a monopoly on stupid. I do love the "hands up, don't shoot" BS though, it instantly calls out whoever does it as a fool that hasn't been paying any attention to what actually happened in Furguson.

 

There you have it FV, condemned by both sides of the argument.

 

The Ferguson riots were a very damaging event for race relations. You had looting, violence, shootings, and even a family member of Michael Brown encouraging arson. You also had a victim who wasn't worthy of sympathy -- a strong-arming robber who attacked a police officer. The left was wise to immediately re-orient their protests and outrage towards the Garner situation and make the protests more diverse. The Ferguson protests were viewed by many as angry black mobs. Even when these groups are peaceful, they still come off as angry, aggressive and unpredictably flammable. It's as if peace is hanging by a thread every time these groups convene. Definitely unsafe. But also damaging was the fact that the protesters did not understand the case, and felt like the legal process was unjust. Mob rule was their solution, which very few support. Many of the protesters with their hands up did not even take the time to understand the physical evidence, which disproves that Brown had his hands up. So they are just factually incorrect there.

The government was wise to re-direct towards Garner, to remove some of these negatives. Garner is a more sympathetic victim, but the fact remains that a multi-cultural Grand Jury, with far more evidence than the protesters, did not indict the officer. So once again, you have foolish protesters who simply lack knowledge of the facts. Mob rule is not the answer. Shutting down commerce and traffic is also not the answer. What is the end game for these protests? Will they just gradually fade away when the protesters realize that they are not accomplishing anything?

 

Must always find the 'perfect' victim in order to point out the imperfect system

I see said the blind man . . .

Rocket River

 

Sir, I think you mean 'Poor Black Drug and Gun Infested' communities and not all black communities are that way... You're talking about 'The Most Hurtful Racism' and then you turn around and stereotype all black people and stereotyping is a major part of racism and what many good black people in this country have to deal with... And until people stop stereotyping there will be racism regardless of what anything else is done.

And who are we to dictate what 'Faith' people should have...??? Until the drug and gun issues are seriously delt with in this country _ people who live in communities like that are up a creek without a paddle. Kids in communities like that can get drugs and or a gun easier than they can get a computer. And when children have drug addicts as parents _ family values won't be strong. The solution is simple _ people are just ignoring it because this country wants it's drugs and guns.

 

He figures while they are at it . . . they should teach rape victims how to dress, act and to love the lord in this modern world.

See .. . the only way to not be victimized is to find a way for the victim to show the victimizers their humanity. The Victimizers would not victimize if there were no victims. . . . asking the victimizers not to victimize . . well that is just unreasonable

Rocket River

 

Is it really asking THAT much to wait till there is an actual victim? In Furguson the victim was the cop, in NY the victim was a victim of his own stupidity and McDonald's.

 

And an overzealous officer. I still think he should have let up on the guy quicker. The other officers said they had him, he shouldn't have held on so long. Also, choke holds are against NYCPD policy -- he used an unsanctioned move and it ended up killing the guy.

Doesn't appear race has anything to do with this case (like the others), but still, I think that deserves some kind of charge. Murder? No, definitely not. Totally unintentional, based on the video I've seen. Manslaughter seems appropriate though.

I still don't see how race has played into any of these shootings though. Were any of them targeted because they were black? Let's visit the three main cases being discussed:

Mike Brown: Robbed a store, was identified as fitting the description by a cop in the area, approached and assaulted the officer. The only reason his race played a part was because they knew it was a 6'4" 300 lb black man who they were looking for.

Cleveland kid: Haven't seen the video, but the officer was called to the scene of someone pointing a gun at people. Can anyone blame the officer for at least assuming this kid could be dangerous? You don't have to agree that his reaction was justified, but at least recognize that the officer was there because the kid was pointing a gun at people, not because he was black.

Eric Garner: Police came at the REQUEST of minority business owners who were being screwed over by Eric Garner. The police tried to arrest him, he didn't appear to like that, and slapped the officers hands away (nothing too serious). An overzealous officer then attempted to subdue Garner and arrest him. Because Garner's weight and medical condition, the choke ended up killing him.

Where does race play a part in any of these?

 

Honestly I don't think the officer was all that overzealous, Garner was considerably larger than any of them and otherwise would have been really difficult to get to the ground, the first thing the officer went for wasn't a choke hold, but the way things ended up that's how he was holding him. I'm fine with him being fired for it, because it did evolve into a choke hold, but that wasn't "why he died", that was just one of numerous contributing factors, the main factors being health related. If he had just complied with the cops.....which is ridiculous anyway given that he was a career criminal (although a petty one) who had been arrested dozens of times, he should have known how things work. When cops say that you're going to jail, you're going to jail, only a moron fights them about it.

 

Good Lord some of you are so lost in your hate.

 

I disagree, as I believe the coroner does. The cause of death was the chokehold, not the contributing factors. You have it backwards. But still, he wasn't trying to murder the guy, just bring him down so they could arrest him. Still accidents happen, and when you accidentally kill someone, especially by doing something that isn't allowed, you are usually held responsible.

But to respond to your last point about fighting with cops. I think this is very important to discuss. Obviously you shouldn't be killed over an arrest like this. The guy wasn't being violent, he was resisting, but not violently. But what is important for people to understand is that, eventually, the guy was going to be arrested whether he liked it or not. You can argue all you want, but it won't make a difference, and it shouldn't. An officer shouldn't give up arresting you just because you don't comply, whether you do so peacefully or violently. I keep hearing that "they killed this guy over a pack of cigs," when in reality he died because of the combination of his actions AND the officer.

No, officers shouldn't kill you when you resist arrest. But we shouldn't be insinuating that citizens have any right to refuse arrest. That's what the court system is for. Deal with it later. Don't fight the police, they always win and always should win when it comes to arresting people.

 

Right with ya. "Soft" racism has far-reaching effects on the black community.

So: racism is black people's fault.
Blame the victim. That should work.

If people want to address the racism issue, they should stop being racist.