I guess it is OPEN SEASON to kill black men in America...no one seems to care.

Think about a few things for a moment and you will realize how this Administration is manipulating people. Nothing is a coincidence. Everything is planned. Youth, young minorities, and the poor are seeing their emotions played like a fiddle as Obama's Administration work to shore up their voting support. Look at the things that have occurred since the democrats were routed in the midterms: Step 1: Immigration executive order to shore up Latino support. Step 2: Identify a sympathetic target to rally black and youth support (Michael Brown/Eric Garner). Step 3: Encourage organized activity and support the actions through government statements.

All of these steps bring together Obama's base and gets their political juices flowing again. The people who stayed home during the midterms are now activated again. All of this is purposeful, all of this is planned. If you are out there in the streets protesting, you are being used.

 

Yes, this is precisely why he waited till the month AFTER the election to set this all in motion. Because we can't trace it back to him then. It's perfect.

This is pure Lex Luthor ****. High grade hard stuff. I am grateful that you revealed the troof.

 

The irony. Having to reason with one of the few people on here more full of **** than you.

 

That's some serious paranoia right there folks.

 

As I explained earlier you are still missing several things about why this still is a very dangerous technique. Yes the technique isn't primarily for cutting off air to the body but blood to the brain. As you note a reasonably in shape person can take that but because police deal with a diverse group of people and the US is a fat country you cannot count on always dealing with reasonably in shape people. Further cutting off blood to the brain isn't something that is without harm. In martial arts we do it for a very short period of time and most of the time someone taps out before it is put on for too long of a time. As someone who has passed people out from similar techniques and been passed out myself these techniques aren't without consequence even to people in very good shape and in these case the actual time of technique applied to release is only a few seconds. You cannot compare what you see done in a UFC fight to how this technique would be applied to a random civilian on the street.

The next part you are missing is that the arm under the suspect is part of the technique. Officer Pantaleo isn't doing the rear naked choke (in Judo Hadaka Jimii) but he is doing the one wing choke / half nelson (in Judo Kata Hajimii). The arm under the other arm isn't just for control but to actually apply more downward pressure on the neck to push the neck into the choke. As I noted earlier in Judo we limit the amount of downward pressure that can be applied in this choke. When dealing with a situation where you aren't wearing Judo Gi it is impossible to not limit downward pressure because you can't use the lapel of the Gi to apply the choke like we would in Judo. If you look at pic I posted of Officer Pantaleo on top of Garner it is practically a textbook example of the choke being applied with Pantaleo leaning forward into the back of Garner to apply more downward pressure on the neck. Further at the beginning of the technique Pantaleo jumps on Garner's back and rides him down with the technique that magnifies the danger much greater (also to officer Pantaleo) by greatly increasing the amount of pressure applied on Garner's neck.

It is no coincidence that pressure to the back of Garner's neck is one of the causes of death because that is what this technique does. Frankly it is just dangerous ignorance that people are downplaying this by saying "the choke clearly isn't on because Garner can still talk." This technique when done properly isn't about whether he can talk or not it is about cutting the blood supply and putting pressure on the back of his neck. Garner isn't suffering injury from being choked he's being damaged by loss of blood and neck pressure. It shouldn't be a surprising at all that that would cause a shock to his system that could lead to death.

Why I feel so strongly about this is that it seems like too many people are downplaying this without fully understanding the technique and why it is so dangerous. Most of the downplaying of this seems to be to make political points. I'm not making this an issue of politics, race or even legality but am speaking as someone with close to 30 years experience in martial arts who has seen, done and taught this very technique more times than I can count. This is a dangerous technique that is banned for a reason by several police forces. Besides this case the further danger I see is that those who continue to portray it as safe might end up causing many to try to use this technique outside of a martial arts, law enforcement or self-defense situation. This technique should never be used outside of a controlled martial arts situation or unless it is a matter of life and death self-defense.

 

Yes but they are not doing their job if they are killing people who shouldn't be killed because of their own fears. If they can't deal with those fears than they shouldn't be cops. No one said being a cop is easy or they don't put their lives in danger. What they are not suppose to do is put other people's lives in danger either.

What if I just shot everyone who made me afraid?

 

At these marches, people have been laying out watermelons and fried chicken on the roads... Catcalling with the N word, waving confederate flags...

Crazy how much racism still exists today.

 

More violence and looting from the protesters. MLK is rolling over in his grave regarding how the protesters are behaving...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/eric-gardner-protests-berkeley-ca-turn-violent-27424001

 

And you're jizzing all over yourself. This thread and others like it are so pointless. It only serves guys like bigtexxx that love to hate poor people and minorities.

 

slanderous

I do find it completely ridiculous that people are so worked up over a couple idiots who decided to resist the police. Hey idiots, don't resist arrest and you won't get shot. Simple as that.

 

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=258431

 

Yeah; destroying property, impeding traffic and drawing attention to yourself in the context of your race will do that.

 

And thus the reverse is true then. Congrats. Indeed, MLK is rolling over in his grave.

 

No i think he would be happy seeing all of the people of different color working together for a common goal.

 

Feel free to flesh that one out.

 

Sure.

Your post is seemingly making an excuse. "Hey, of course they are going to be racist because black people rioted on the context of their race." it sounds like an excuse for people to be openly racist.

So I'm saying the reverse is true then. When Black people see white cops shooting black kids, they are thinking "White people hate us, they are still racist."

So now when they see white people putting down watermelon, fried chicken, saying the N-word, waving the confederate flag then guess what? Black people using this excuse will say "See, there is still too much racism."

MLK is rolling in his grave because people are still judging entire ethnicities of people by the actions of a few. It is hilarious that people bring up black people looting as if it is some kind of black-exclusive thing. Displays their bias and possible prejudice towards black people.

Yeah, I would too.

All in all when it comes to race relations in the USA between White/Black people, both sides are at fault.

Whenever a white person displays racism it doesn't mean that most white people are racists. Whenever a black person does something violent it doesn't mean that most black people are this way.


"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

 

Or it displays their own understanding as blacks that racial mocking, which is still completely and utterly unlinked and undocumented, is also fully avoidable.

 

They're giving away free watermelon and fried chicken? Hell, I might get out on the streets just for that. Who doesn't like watermelon and fried chicken?

 

One of my problems with this whole ordeal is that the cases aren't being judged on their merits but rather on the basis of what color the police officer and criminal are.

In both the Furguson case and the Garner case you can bet that there would be no national attention paid to it if the race of the police officer or the race of the criminal were reversed. Based on the merit of the case, neither are even worth a trial, but because they can be spun as examples of racism you see thousands of idiots in the street chanting "Hands up, don't shoot", an action that never actually took place in the Furguson case.

If Micheal Brown was white, do you really think President Obama or Al Sharpton would bring it up at all? Of course not. Same thing goes for Garner, people only care because they can use it to confirm what they already think, that white people/the system (for some reason people seem to think they are one and the same) are out to get black people.