I guess it is OPEN SEASON to kill black men in America...no one seems to care.

Not really, he wasn't a normal sized person and struggling with and being hit by a 6'4 290 pound guy probably felt like he was fighting with Hulk Hogan. 80 pounds is a HUGE difference. Also, he was still charging him after being shot multiple times, so what was he supposed to think?

The fact that there are two cases of really big guys in incidents with cops doesn't verify that white people look at black people as being super human. If the guys involved were normal sized and weren't charging a gun despite being shot a few times already, and the cop still made the same comments then there might be a case for it, but calling really huge guys big is just a description. Hammers see nails everywhere, race baiters see racism everywhere.

 

A chokehold for 14 seconds will **** you up even if not applied properly. Bobby...let me put you in a guillotine choke/rear naked choke for 14 seconds and you will learn real quick. I'm not trying to sound like a bad ass, but it's just reality. We've been working on guillotines this week in jiujitsu and man....they are rough.

 

It is weird and I do not know why.

My guess is that it is a mix of residual dehumanization from slavery, coupled with the historical dietification of blacks in the time of slavery. In both cases white America is left with an "idea" and not an actual person.

 

LOL, you think the video shows that the cops couldn't possibly have seen him selling cigarettes? Wow. I guess that solves it, your video shows that all of the cops were lying on him and were just out to get him. Brilliant.

 

If you had it fully locked in, I'd be unconsious, if the cop had it locked in, so would Garner. The fact that he was conscious and able to speak means that it was not locked in. Get actually choked out and see if you act like he acted when the hold was released.

 

open season on black pigs in Texas

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Yeah I've been in both situations blood chokes and windpipe chokes. The blood choke would put you out fast. The windpipe choke/crush doesn't.

Either way it doesn't ****ing matter because the cop applying the choke had no idea what the hell he was doing with it. He applied a dangerous technique and he killed someone with it accidentally. Sorry...it doesn't matter if it was an accident.

 

Further if someone is saying they can't breathe and they are already subdued on the ground then you need to listen to them. The cops didn't give a damn that the guy was repeatedly stating he couldn't breathe after he was subdued and subsequently he died.

 

Well legally it does matter, which is part of the reason that it never went to trial. Now if you or I randomly did that to someone and they died, we'd probably face charges because we're not cops trying to arrest people so I get your point but it's just not the same in this case.

That said, the guy's family will have a hell of a lawsuit against the NYPD.

 

If someone can say that they can't breathe, it's evidence that they can in fact breathe. People lie all the time and they had no reason to believe that he wasn't lying in an effort to try and prevent them from cuffing and arresting him.

 

Can the Feds press charges in this case? I saw in the last choking death by a NYPD cop 20+ years ago they pressed charges for negligent homicide and won. The cop served 7 years in prison if I recall correctly from the article.

 

He was already subdued. Is it that hard to understand? What the hell is the fat guy gonna do? Get up quickly and run away like a gazelle with all those cops surrounding him? He clearly wasn't a threat anymore. Are you just playing devil's advocate?

 

Possibly. I don't know the Federal law on the subject, but I think it's a lot more likely that this case ends up being a civil lawsuit rather than a federal criminal case.

 

No one. . not even the Paramedics even attempted CPR

Rocket River

 

Who said it had to? My question was more about perspective rather than whether you'd agree with it at all. I'm not here to jedi mind trick your mind.

With his own words, Wilson attributed superhuman powers to Brown. He was pretty vivid at it too.

I would say that RR's post would be more trollish if those qualities didn't match the study's or if the study didn't even exist at all.

 

They were still putting cuffs on him, they weren't going to let him up until then no matter what he said. Once he was on the ground, the guy released the choke hold, but they held him down till he was cuffed. From everything I've ever seen, that's pretty much standard procedure, keep the person down till they are in cuffs.

 

You said that (all) black people are 21 x more likely to get shot by the police, and based this on the ProPublica analysis. I assume you are retracting that statement?

 

Well there was someone suggesting that it did. It wasn't you though and I see what you were trying to say.

With his words, he described being assaulted by a MUCH bigger person who charged him even after being shot multiple times, do you think the description was that off? Do you think if he was assaulted by a white guy that was the same size and continued to charge him after being shot multiple times, he'd describe it significantly differently? I'd argue no. It was an extreme situation that kind of called for extreme description.

 

And if someone is saying they can't breathe it doesn't mean they aren't having trouble breathing. Trust me....when someone has you controlled in side mount or mount it can be crushing. When you get in those situations you start to panic and it gets really hard to breath really fast. It has to happen really quick when you are that fat too.

Just a ridiculous escalation by the cops over a non-violent crime.

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The way I see it, him resisting arrest was a ridiculous escalation, but he probably didn't want to go back to jail given that it would probably cancel his probation.

He probably was having problems breathing, but at that point it didn't really matter, they were going to keep him down till he was in cuffs no matter what he said. He really really should have just let them arrest him, if he did, he'd be alive today. IMO that's the lesson that should be learned here, if you are a big guy, don't fight with cops or resist arrest because they aren't going to treat you with kid gloves the way they might treat someone who is smaller. If you are a doberman, you can't get away with what a chihuahua could get away with, a doberman gets shot.