I guess it is OPEN SEASON to kill black men in America...no one seems to care.

Multiple sources?

 

So he was never arrested 31 times? The cops weren't getting him on selling non taxed cigarettes? Was he selling flowers and was he a UN peacekeeper?

 

Appaling. This such a typical reflexive response. NY is probably the most heavily segregated major-city in the US. Projects + Stop and Frisk = Drunk white b****es on morning tv talking down about the rest of the world. Ironic.

 

I bet you think Drunk drivers accidently kill people.

 

In what way in your mind are the two things related at all?

It's always interesting to see where these kinds of crazy thoughts come from.

 

bigtexxx be like..

 

I don't think the cop should be indicted. He should lose his job. He's not a murderer.

The guy could have died in a few minutes anyway. He was able to breathe (he wouldn't have been able to say "I can't Breathe" if he wasn't. He could have had a heart attack if he was pushed against the wall and handcuff. There's no way to connect the take down without doubt as the cause of the heart attack.

Should a man be arrested for selling unlicensed cigarettes? If the guy was white, he probably would have just been given a warning. That's where race comes to play in my opinion.

But the rest wasn't about race. It was about an officer using a banned technique to do his job as he was instructed to do in carrying out his job.

Is that murder? no. It is dangerous though and he should not be a cop.

 

This is pretty much how I feel. I do have very conflicted feelings as I think multiple factors contributed to Garner's death.

At a minimum, the cop should have his badge removed. He can't follow NYPD policy, and has a history of violence. Not someone you'd want to have protecting and serving.

As for him causing Garner's death, it was multifactorial. Garner resisted being cuffed for breaking the law, and the police had to apprehend him somehow. Who's to say he wouldn't have suffered medical complications from another method? The grand jury probably should have gone through with an indictment, but a good defense lawyer would make it difficult to pin the cause of death on the chokehold alone.

 

Stupidest thing I've read all day.

 

This doesn't sound that much less reflexive or appalling.

 

Why did the police HAVE to apprehend him? What was the threat exactly?!

It goes without say the risk of medical complications goes up astronomically when the cop acts like a complete douchebag and chokes the man. Textbook negligent behavior which was contemplated when charges like Manslaughter were created.

I am not trying to pick on you as I think your opinion is reasonable in many respects and clearly well thought out, but I think your post in many ways exemplifies what racism in America looks like today. Racism is no longer as overt or extreme as it used to be. Society has obviously evolved significantly, particularly in America. But it does still exist in America and criminal justice is an area where racism is more pronounced and impactful.

You say that Garner "broke the law". What proof do you have of this exactly? On the tape, Garner vehemently denied selling cigarettes and claimed the police were simply harassing him. He was never tried in a court obviously because he was killed before that happened. Yet you obviously aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt he is constitutionally entitled to...despite him being big and black.

Next, you say he was "resisting arrest". I would submit that claim is dubious at best and ludicrous at worst. Clearly at no point did he physically OR verbally threaten the officer. Clearly at no point did he attempt to flee the scene. Clearly he did not physically struggle with any of the officers or touch them. At worst he was mildly uncooperative or frustrated. "Resisting arrest" has a legal bar and I think it's a huge stretch to say his actions met that bar. Were he to have survived and the case turned over to the DA for prosecution for a resisting arrest charge, I don't think the case would ever make its way to a courtroom.

Viewing his actions as "resisting arrest" to me is a perfect example of how we project our fears and discomfort with African Americans. I seriously, seriously doubt saw a Caucasian man behaving the way Eric Garner was we would think he did anything illegal or was resisting arrest. We just tend not to give the benefit of the doubt as a society to African Americans in this situation and our predispositions that they are criminals manifest themselves in the way we see the very debatable and subjective elements of these cases.

 

Breakin News:

According to the private investigator :BoppyTheGreat ," the death was a result of natural causes when the suspect decided not to breath , side evidence such an overweight body , dark skin, and a trace of McDonald fries found @the crime scene add support to this theory"

 

What's most disturbing about this and the _other_ case...

No indictment. You can sermonize all day about how innocent/guilty the cops are in these cases...it's totally meaningless because it never even went to trial. That's not a miscarriage of justice, it's not even facing it.

 

Yeah... but it makes THEIR point... however inaccurate the claim.

Is there any doubt that tranquilizer guns would prevent this kind of tragedy?

VISIONARY.

 

Isn't that basically what a taser is?

 

Where is it then? Something, anything that will cut short these aggressive resisting arrest responses that end so tragically.

I don't want people to die for their own stupidity... but that's what it is... their own stupidity.

 

That is murder... They already had him restrained but wouldn't let up _ because he was black. Or maybe the cop was just in fear for his life

There's an old story called "The cat who thought he was people"... Black men have to remember that they're black and what country they are in and they need to be submissive when dealing with the police regardless on if they shouldn't be going to jail because many police don't care if they take a black person dead or alive.

But great job by the police force for stopping a deadly criminal from distributing single cigarettes. That's our tax dollars in action.

 

Same thing was being said back during the civil rights movement and still being said in 2014... There is no "justice for all" _ it's "just us."

It may be disturbing but that's just how it is ---> for certain people in this country.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/alisonvingi...women-in-the-head-during-a-road-rage?s=mobile

 

These cops seem to be really poorly trained.

There are crappy workers in every line of work, but the consequences are big here.

Did they not hear him say he can't breathe?

 

Then let's just get rid of the grand jury and taking everything to trial