You're the one who chose to reply to me when I said---"did he deserve death for it? A nation of laws that places its' enforcement agents in a position where they are killing 6'4 290 pound men, or 12 year old boys is straining its' moral vision." If you're uncomfortable discussing the facts, go rationalize it elsewhere.
Is that suppose to mean anything? Americans live in America with a lot of cops, most Americans don't live in the Middle East
Are you seriously suggesting, that in the USA, where guns are prevalent, that police officers should not carry firearms?
What failed policy has led to the police arresting a high proportion of minorities, led to the militarization of police, over-aggressive incursions into communities, and an attitude that accepts that police officers should be armed, and should kill before they think of non-lethal alternatives---precisely because they have not been given any for situations that arise?
The US homicide rate is 4 to 5 times higher than most other countries (assuming we are talking about European countries). Not saying that justifies anything, but it certainly is clear that law enforcement officers in America are faced with a more violent criminal element than most European countries.
it all depends on how taser/pepper spray/alternatives actually work in close combat situations such as this. violently attacking a police officer should carry lethal consequences, I have no issue with that.
Yes. The Bush and Obama Admins. have suppressed civil liberties, created an over-arching surveillance state, and started what amounts to a decades-long open-ended war where thousands upon thousands are dying because well, terrorism. Of course, suggest that kind of calibre of policy action for a problem that is 8x larger, and well, fear only works when you're speaking to the right target.
How many times are you going to repeat this same exact thing? EVERYONE understands that if Michael Brown was a reclusive hermit and never left his house he would still be alive today. That is NOT what people are outraged about. Never was. This thing has gone on for months, maybe one of these days you will finally get it.
The CNN people just suck, they just wish everyone goes to the street to burn something to support this black kid, who was 18 years old man.
a death of an American by a terrorist =/= death by police officer, I hope you understand that, and comparing the two doesn't even make any sense. I don't care about Bush's policies I'm not even American.
Just stop. If you want to use your absurd "terrorist" comparison, the argument can be made that you are NOT being attacked by terrorists because of the actions the state took. It is just a really stupid comparison you came up with.... just move on, come up with another one.
You arrest a lot of people that commit crimes, if some communities commit more crimes, they get arrested more. However, all of that is completely irrelevant to this case where a man attacked a cop and got shot as a result of his stupid actions. He didn't have to be a recluse, he just had to not attack a cop. In no way was Brown mistreated. I'm not actually sure what people are outraged about other than the fact that they didn't get the lynching they were hoping for.
LOL, pir-in-the-sky liberal who avoids focusing on the most salient fact of the case - that the dude assaulted a police officer and tried to take his weapon - wants to talk about "facts"... SMH As usual, you completely excuse the "victim's" actions that led to thie r unfortunate circumstances in the first place. When a 6'4" 290lb man attacks a police officer and tries to take his gun, he is begging to get shot. When a 12 year old takes the orange safety indicator off of a realistic looking airsoft gun and pulls that gun on a cop, he has made a serious mistake. The cop getting attacked by the 6'4" 290lb thug who is trying to take his firearm away has two choices: let this ba$tard take my gun and kill me, or kill him first. The cop who is facing a 12 year old who appears to be drawing what looks like a real firearm has two choices: stand here doing nothing, hoping and praying that he doesn't shoot me, or shoot him before he shoots me. Do you think that the cop who shot the 12 year old knew the firearm was not real? Of course not, it was a tragic accident - one that likely would not have occurred had the orange safety indicator not been removed (they're there for a reason, ya know). You and other libtards assume the worst about white people and cops in particular. We are all racists. And cops just want to murder black people. You are *completely* unable to assess the facts of any single case; it is always tainted by your emotion and what you want to believe about America. And you in particular have absolutely zero expertise or knowledge of use of force issues, and are particularly unqualified to debate it. But you will try anyway... Because The Cause.
I think anywhere in between a hermit and a strong-arming thief who attacks cops would suffice. Is that too much to ask?
This really isn't a liberal vs conservative issue and shouldn't be seen that way. It's pretty straightforward, a man attacked a cop and got shot for it. The end. Hell we can even take race out of it.
http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-killed-police-officer-terrorist Again--- http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/fear-of-terror-makes-people-stupid.html Critically, one can argue that it is in the interest of authorities to curb regulations on the excessive use of force of state agents.
true what about the boy in Cle? 12 year old with a fake gun, got shot twice n lost his life in a park (if im not mistaking). I can see how maybe the cop reacted if the kid reached for it but it's a 12 year old boy like, was it necessary?
It *shouldn't* be, but it is, because one side is incapable of viewing the situation objectively. As is usually the case.
Refer to the post above where I again brought up the Cato Institute's excellent balanced approach to this particular comparison.
Would it have been necessary had the gun been real? Of course it would have, and for all the cop knew the gun was real - that is why he shot him in the first place. If someone you didn't know was pointing a gun at you, would you ask "Um... how old are you?" Is that a relevant question at that point in time?
