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[Military State] Ferguson, MO

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by percicles, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Sure there are ways to do so, but the officer in question didn't have a taser and was getting attacked....he didn't have the luxury of stopping the idiot in a non-lethal manner. People need to take accountability for their own actions, if the moron didn't want to be dead, he shouldn't have attacked a cop. Let's face it, the world is a better place without him.
     
  2. Northside Storm

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    because the notion that the police can get away with excessive force strikes hard if you're a member of a community that is caught up in any number of failed policies that leads to people you know or yourself being jailed or killed.
     
  3. treeman

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    I stopped reading right here because anything beyond this is garbage.

    The onus is on the suspect not to attack the law enforcement officer and try to take that LEO's firearm away. If the suspect starts the encounter off that way then there are really only two ways it can end: a dead cop or a dead suspect. Once you attack a police officer you have created a situation that is almost certainly going to escalate to a lethal force encounter. Once you go for a cop's gun you have just escalated it to a lethal force encounter. One of you is almost certainly going to die.

    When it gets to that point, the judicial process is never going to take place. Someone is going to die. The fact that you fail to understand that... Doesn't surprise me at all, actually.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    When someone attacks a police officer, it's not a failed policy that led to it, it's a failed person.
     
  5. mr. 13 in 33

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    I think some people moved on but a lot of people are still on the topic.
     
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    Clearly Brown was under the influence of some chemical other than weed. A rational person does not do what he reportedly did. The toxicity study apparently didn't pick it up. The pause between the shots was due to the officer screaming for him to get on the ground. He kept coming. Ballistic tests dispute the report that he was shot in the back or had his hands up. I wish the officer had used a non lethal alternative like a taser, pepper spray, or rubber bullets. But given the victims mental state, they would likely have not worked. This whole case is a bizarre scenario. The unknown mind altering drug or chemical is the key. I am convinced of it.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>&quot;How could your conscience be clear?&quot; -Michael Brown's mother on Darren Wilson <a href="http://t.co/SSoHU0BQzu">http://t.co/SSoHU0BQzu</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash">#Ferguson</a> <a href="http://t.co/Nb5CtMX5sK">pic.twitter.com/Nb5CtMX5sK</a></p>&mdash; CBS Evening News (@CBSEveningNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/537615230051057664">November 26, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



    Maddow Not Buying Darren Wilson’s Description of Michael Brown as Super-Human ‘Demon’


    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>What if <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelBrown?src=hash">#MichaelBrown</a> had been shot in Canada? <a href="http://t.co/fF2BOwzJAY">http://t.co/fF2BOwzJAY</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/hamiltonmetro">@hamiltonmetro</a></p>&mdash; CAPG (@CAPG_ACGP) <a href="https://twitter.com/CAPG_ACGP/status/537688254632296448">November 26, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
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    It's a failed policy that will not be examined because too many people here are crowing about how they may have been "right" on this one instance---while ignoring other incidents that fuel a rage they cannot understand because they have never been on the other side of said failed policy.

    In other countries, the use of arms by agents of the law is a very comprehensive dialogue. In America, it's accepted that officers carry guns and kill who they please without non-lethal alternatives because...?

    Again, a nation of laws that places its' enforcement agents in a position where they are killing 6'4 290 pound men, or 12 year old boys is straining its' moral vision.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom#.22Shoot_to_kill.22_policy
     
  9. mr. 13 in 33

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>.<a href="https://twitter.com/crisisguru">@crisisguru</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/StrategyDC">@StrategyDC</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/makovsky">@makovsky</a>'s Michael Goodwin say why the nighttime <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FergusonDecision?src=hash">#FergusonDecision</a> presser was a bad idea <a href="http://t.co/gaGHQSDylO">http://t.co/gaGHQSDylO</a></p>&mdash; PRWeek US (@PRWeekUS) <a href="https://twitter.com/PRWeekUS/status/537688840941883392">November 26, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    What failed policy causes people to attack police officers? Death is a consequence of stupid actions, always has been, nothing can change that. As long as men are mortal, they'll do stupid things to get themselves killed. Let's just give this Brown kid his Darwin award and move on.
     
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    One was attacked, one was being a dick hitting someone with a baton because of an argument.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FergusonDecision?src=hash">#FergusonDecision</a> sparks renewed interest in police body cameras. And orders are up. <a href="http://t.co/QyitJI89iw">http://t.co/QyitJI89iw</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash">#Ferguson</a></p>&mdash; John Ehrlich (@newsneighbor) <a href="https://twitter.com/newsneighbor/status/537689629991141376">November 26, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
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    Perhaps "Mom" had you avoided surrounding your son with criminals and thugs and been a GOOD role model, your son would not have been comitting assault and robbery and attacking police officers.

    The complete lack of accountability is staggering.
     
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    The fact that you don't understand the steepening militarization of police, and how tensions have gotten so bad due to excessive use of force that killings are accepted as a matter of course---the fact that you cannot see beyond the narrow confines of this case that you did not try, or have access to deliberations--- well, that doesn't surprise me at all.

    http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-killed-police-officer-terrorist

    You’re Eight Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist

     
  16. treeman

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    It's entirely possible he was just a crazy, violent a$$hole, too.
     
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    A bunch of delusional people, kids in the wrong
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    In the video of him robbing the store he comes across as some kind of bootleg Deebo wanna be, in real life, Deebo gets shot acting like that.
     
  19. treeman

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    Again, stopped reading here, because everything that follows is blahblahblah. We are talking about an individual who assaulted a police officer and tried to take away his firearm, not your head-in-the-cloud dreams of police-state America. You are prattling on about due process and the judicial process, entirely missing the point that when a suspect attacks a cop and escalates it to a lethal force encounter, those processes are moot. They are irrelevant. Because someone is getting taken away in a body bag at that point.

    Again, not surprised at all that you are unable to focus on that. I mean, you wouldn't be here unless you were looking for an excuse to crap on American society and the injustice of it all, right?
     
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    This is being posted all over twitter ^





    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>&quot;<a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek">@Newsweek</a>: London to Russia, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FergusonDecision?src=hash">#FergusonDecision</a> reactions in countries across the world: <a href="http://t.co/SD1ouMvcn2">http://t.co/SD1ouMvcn2</a>&quot; Death knell of an Empire</p>&mdash; Stephen (@stephenbottomly) <a href="https://twitter.com/stephenbottomly/status/537691634247671809">November 26, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
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