When she gives the title back maybe people can take her seriously. This is like George Bush advising you of how to respect democratic values. There are plenty of Arab voices out there who understand the life of a Middle Easterner and who have real solutions which go beyond playing along with the Clinton global initiative's business plan. She is arguing for stability and development within the confines of the problem, same as is argued by those in power who have significant interest in the region. It makes total sense. The way things are right now, if you have interests here then you want to stabilize the situation and keep it going for as long as possible. Mind you, she made this speech in a country where women are HUGELY outperforming men, getting paid more, and dominating virtually all academic fields. Now what? Has that made women equal to men? Has that given them what Arabs unanimously agree is needed for their safety? These are admirable milestones - but they are milestones and shouldn't be prioritized over main goals ESPECIALLY if these milestones are not bringing about any real change. She's not someone speaking for Middle Easterners. She's speaking for you guys and your friends. Good for you I guess. You want to know what her and her family are like? You'll never know because they are too scared to utter a word about it.
Was thinking the same thing... all I've heard over the past 2 years from syria and jordan are monarchies covering up horrible war crimes and living in decadence while watching people rot on the street. i know jordan isn't as bad as syria... but i believe there was a time magazine article highlighting the hypocrisy. seems like queen rania's pr team wants her to be Princess Diana . a little flowery angel who helps the poor and sacrifices her own comfort -- not sure who what's going on behind the scenes.
"Back" to whom? Your Islamist friends? Do you think that will make people's lives in Jordan better? Also, please answer this: Do you consider her a Muslim?
Read it again, what you want her to say is not in there. Your imaginary internet girlfriend doesn't think Islam is the issue.
Oh ATW ... I can always count on you to double-down (and triple-down!) on hilariously indefensible positions: Wikipedia: UK Daily Mail: The Telegraph: International Business Times: The Independent: ... aaand she doesn't think Islam is the root-cause of such behavior: as reported by DailyMail, The Telegraph, IBIT, The Independent (all linked above), AND Al Arabiya ... so it looks like you did quite a bit of work to find the one news outlet that omitted this part of her speech.
In fact, it looks like you are the one who did quite a bit of work. Thank you for wasting your time (and everyone else's, as usual).
I didn't realize she held the speech in English. Here is the full speech: <iframe width="640" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/QUmC43iRwHQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Watch it, g1184. I don't expect you to understand any of it, but watch it, anyway. Of course, there are comments like this under the Youtube video, from someone who sounds just like Exiled: And then you have a lot of people like Mathloom immediately dismiss it, too. It's also very noticeable that none of the Islamist boyz (e.g. trustme, adeelsiddiqui, Hydhypedplaya) comment on this and reveal what they really think about her - that she is not even a Muslim. And neither will Mathloom answer the question.
Man, she's one beautiful lady. Talk about a face to launch a thousand ships. I can barely listen to the speech without being seriously distracted.
(at around 6:45 in the video) Well, well, well...g1184 (Mr. "She said Islam is not the problem") probably thinks she is talking about Pastafarianism.
well, well, well ... a quadruple-bet on the same limp, losing horse (metaphor!). Please, never ever, for the love of Allah, go to Vegas. It's for your own good.
looks like the arab world doesn't like her for a. putting on an act to please westerners and ignoring her own people b. trying too hard to look and act like what white people want arabs to look like, including plastic surgery (worked to fool the hornballs on this forum) c. being civilized http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/09/queen-rania-not-good-for-arabs.html Kinda see the point here mathloo was making, but you have to be realistic. none of us would take her seriously if she didn't have the surgery and hid behind a gown. ignorance is part of living in a free market world.
You are wasting everyone's time, trying to play a game of gotcha you are constantly losing. Stop embarrassing yourself.
I agree completely with her and that was very well said. If only more leaders in Muslim countries would speak out like this, then perhaps there would be some change. Unfortunately, the chances of that do not seem high. I would like for that to happen though. And more moderate Muslims leaders to take a stance. That would be an amazing display. I'm going to throw out here that I am fairly ignorant as to the current state of affairs of Jordan or the "civilized Arab" view of what's best for that part of the Middle East. As an American though, I like what she's saying and feel this is the type of stance that all "moderates" need to take. And by that I am referring to taking a logical and civilized view of things and actually voicing those opinions. I understand what you are saying, but that is a bit ridiculous to say. Although I would agree that especially in the past century or so that has been the case, the Arab/Muslim world was very educated at one point in time compared to their contemporaries. If this was not the case many of the feats in maths, science, poetry, etc. that are credited to the Arab/Muslim world would not exist. And they quite obviously do, so that's a moot point. Once again, I understand what you are saying about the Muslim world perhaps never stressing education over religion, but it's not as if that's a prerequisite to becoming educated. Which is exactly what seems to be implied by you saying that. It would perhaps be best to not have such a narrow view of things or lack of knowledge about world history if you are going to claim such things. Human history does not just span the last 500 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wisdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyám http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhazen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
Did you use this line to refute your English teacher's feedback on your misinterpreted book reports as well? You can't force your words (or anything else) into Queen Rania's mouth, sorry. You trot out this line whenever you've painted yourself into a corner. Lets review - Claim: Queen Rania doesn't believe Islam is the root-case of these extremists acts. Proof: Counter-argument: Queen Rania also references a battle against an "ideology" in her speech. However, since she has already distanced Islam from extremism in the speech, the "ideology" she refers to in this case is extremism itself. Claim: She called on moderate Muslims to change the narrative through the power of social media. Proof: Daily Mail, Telegraph, IBIT, and The Independent - ENGLISH publications, from ENGLAND - all interpret her call to action in the same way. Counter-argument: none. Final tally: Truth and objectivity - 95,612,734,234 ATW - 0
Truth and Objectivity just scored another basket: Is Rania your Queen and savior, or a BBS Delusionist? (hint: she thinks they just need more education.) Full Transcript Uh Oh! Spaghetti-monster-O!
I was of course generalizing too much. Islam used to be more tolerant compared to other religions at the time. However, while other religions have moved forward and became more tolerant, for the most part Islam have moved backward and became less tolerant. The way things are going, it might take a long time before Islam get out of its "dark ages".
