On like Donkey Kong: Obama Said to Plan Moves to Shield 5 Million Immigrants

I can totally agree with you on what you wrote but i think all here would agree there should be no amnesty.

 

Draconian and brutal enforcement of the Employment laws would be the way to go

i.e. A fine of 10K for every Illegally employed person on your payroll . .. per day

So if I find Illegal #1 been employed by a company for a week
that is a 70k fine
I bet there will be alot less work for illegal immigrants and alot more scrutiny of those papers

Rocket River

 

I don't have problem granting amnesty to someone who went to great lengths to come here and worked they butt of doing crappy work at crappy pay and somehow managed to build a life for themselves by working hard.

If they managed to do that and escape the system for 10 years and have kids who are doing well in school, I say they deserve to stay here and are a net plus for our country. Plus then they will start paying taxes.

 

No, it doesn't.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/09/03/more-prioritize-border-security-in-immigration-debate/

This poll, from September, shows that only 33% think that border security should be the primary goal. 41% believe that border security and allowing for a path to citizenship are equally important.

With our broken immigration system and the refusal of the Republicans to get their thumbs out of their a$$es to do something about it, the "something" being done is dramatically better than the "nothing" that will occur if we keep waiting for Republicans to develop some sanity.

Again, an executive order is hardly "skirt[ing] democracy. As I observed and you admitted, such action is well within the power of the President. This President has ALREADY dramatically increased enforcement (more deportation under Obama than we have ever seen in our history), and now he is addressing the other side of the question.

Perhaps you should expand your poll reading because it is obvious you believe things that just aren't true. See the poll posted above for refutation of your contention that "All polling shows that Americans want the border secured before addressing illegals in the country." That simply isn't true.

So, continue to do the same things you have been doing, hoping that the Republicans will change their dogged intransigence. Sounds an awful like the definition of insanity. Of course, leave it to a Republican to suggest that our public officials exhibit insane behaviors, that's what draws votes from Republican voters.

The leader of the Executive's job is to enforce the law. It isn't to convince the American people or the Republicans in Congress that change is needed. Americans already know that change is needed. Given the refusal of the Republicans in Congress to do ANYTHING on this issue, the DUTY of the Executive is to find ways to enforce the current laws such that the needs of the country are best addressed.

Especially now, with Congress in the near full control of the Republicans, it is up to Republicans to do something. Obama is doing what he can, Republicans are doing absolutely nothing helpful whatsoever.

 

Such action would directly cause the self-deportation of millions of Mexicans. They wouldn't be able to work and work is the entire reason they are here in the first place.

Sadly, it won't happen that way because businesses want the cheap labor and Republicans will continue to do what their CoC masters command.

 

Again i agree but there are many of those that have been here that are criminals or pedo's and murders who maybe granted amnesty as well.

 

Amnesty solves no issues. It creates more problems. This will never end. Unless US decides to open border and allows anyone living on earth gets citizenship here, ten years from now we will talk about amnesty for another 15 million illegals.

Progressive is a joke. I used to pretty left leaning but now I can't stand them .

 

an executive order is the exact definition of skirting democracy. ITs an edict from a king.

never said that (good god you suck at reading), and it with this i realize i should bother trying to speak to you.

 

Well, except for documenting the people who are living and working in this country, creating a system by which those people can work and be taxed, allowing those people to travel freely back to their home countries, giving businesses a labor force willing to do many jobs that American citizens wouldn't do for the pay being offered, among other things.

Amnesty without reform of the immigration system will cause more illegal immigration, to be sure. This is one of the reasons we need the comprehensive immigration reform that the Republicans have refused to consider.

As long as some in our political process refuse to compromise for the good of the country, you're correct.

No, a much better path would be to allow for a dramatically modified guest worker program so that workers can come into the country (especially for seasonal work), do their jobs, then go home after their season is over. If the guest worker program includes a path to citizenship for good behavior, continued employment, and assimilation into the culture (learning the language, civics, etc.), then more might choose to become citizens, but there are plenty of illegals here now who have no interest in becoming citizens. They just want to work.

Fox "News" is a joke, you should stop trusting them to provide you with information.

Likely as a result of choosing to trust the pundits to whom you seem to have been listening.

 

Bullsh!t. You're completely deluded.

No, you shouldn't bother to try to speak to me because you apparently don't have the ability to comprehend simple definitions.

Here is the one for "Executive order"

a rule or order issued by the president to an executive branch of the government and having the force of law.

Much as you would like to equate this to an "edict from a king," there is a dramatic difference. A "king" has the power of the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of government all wrapped into one. We have a system of checks and balances. In this case, Obama issued an order, which is well within his rights. If Congress wants to check this power, they have that ability. They are capable of passing a law which changes how the executive must address the issue, but have refused to do so.

Congress has shirked their duty, forcing Obama to do what he must to uphold his duty.

 

Sounds nice put that way . . ..
but
put another way . .. you saying . ..

I'm ok with allowing someone to do slave work for slave wages so my tomatoes don't become expensive. . . .

Serfdoms are ok by you . . . . .

Rocket River

 

Executive orders have been issued by Presidents for over 200 years but NOW it's an edict from a king that skirts Democracy. It's like you guys don't have the faintest clue about anything until Obama is involved at which time you're firmly against it. Let's call it the Obama-Pavlovian response.

 

I don't think anyone has it all been here say so far until something is said or shown.

 

executive orders are edicts(look up the word), they are also quite often necessary (military action for example). This is obviously not one of those times.

The stance you liberals take is incredible. IT's okay for the executive branch to act on an issue if congress does not? rly? That's the stance you want to take? why don't you step back and think on that.

 

Yes when people have an axe to grind and can't really argue the points they sometimes fail to observe the difference between an executive order, and actual legislation. But it's sad when called out on it, they continue the charade.

 

I'm responding to the 3-4 posters who have responded an executive order is appropriate because Congress has not acted.

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Sweet Lou

 

I have no problem with not deporting hard working folks with kids with no criminal background. I have a problem with encourage new generation of folks to come here and repeat that cycle. Given that Congress had not done anything, at least some honest decent family are not broken up. But it's a temporary solution that eventually might create more harm 10 years down the road IF it continues. Republicans sure does not like this and now they have control of both house and an opportunity to show some tangible ability to govern. So DO SOMETHING sensible for immigrate reform and provide a better alternative. Let's see what happen over the next few months to years.