You can be dumb about it all you like, but when people dress certain ways they attract attention, when they dress other ways they don't. That's not exactly ground breaking news to anyone and no one forces people to dress any certain way so rather than whining about it and hoping that the world will change to suit their whims, perhaps they should make a change if it bothers them THAT much.
Feminists are offended either way. The more conservative you dress, the less likely you are to get cat called. The above is the difference between extremely conservative and very provocative. In the US, most young women dress provocatively and get cat called. I am not defending the men who do the cat calling, but it is like baking a fresh batch of cookies and telling your kids they can't have any. And yeah, I think comparing men to young children is fair. Same with women. Not everyone grows up.
You absolutely are defending them. You're excusing their actions and blaming it on the women. And if you read the link that I posted you'll see that it has very little to do with how the women are dressed.
So you think a very round young woman can dress in the tightest close possible and not expect to be cat called? Way to have your cake. And If you continue reading my post, I compared those men to young children. I was not defending them.
I think that women can't go out without being harassed regardless of how they are dressed. You keep bringing up what they are wearing when it's irrelevant to how they are treated. And wearing a tight shirt doesn't give anybody the right to be disrespectful. You're justifying their actions and blaming the women. You can try to present that however you'd like, but that's what you are doing.
I don't think it is nearly as bad as you think it is. I live in Houston, not NY. Many young women here dress fairly protectively. I don't see them get cat called and I go out every day. Maybe it is because I am not walking down some shady streets. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but those videos rigged the experiments by carefully choosing the women, clothing, and streets to walk down on. And you are confusing justification from facts. Some men are children. They will act on what they see. If they see big breasts and ass on a curvy, young women wearing tight clothes they will act on how it makes them feel. I blame the men first, then the music, a variety of other things, and finally the women. You can't say they get none of the blame.
Also, I think it is shady that men are following these women for 5-10 minutes. I mean, come on. There is a donation box at the end of one of the videos.
First Step to stopping disrespect is agreement on what it means to be disrespected. Alot of people feel that saying hello .. . even if it is Hello Beautiful or cutie etc is not disrespectful so selling them on stopping it will be a hard sell The issue with the video is. . .. a Hello from GUY X is harrassment but a Hello from GUY Y is not so bad when you are inconsistant like that . . . then you lose the battle because you not being harrassed as much as picking and choosing Saying . .. I HATE GUYS BOTHING ME is alot different than I HATE CREEPY GUYS BOTHERING ME because no one but you know your definition of creepy there fore the maximum correction is either 1. no one talks to you at all because everyone could be creepy or 2. everyone talks to you because no one could be creepy Literally you would have to go down the street saying. . YOU CAN TALK TO ME .. BUT YOU CANNOT . . .You're ok but not him . . . just not very realistic Rocket River
Dude. I think the issue is more with the guys that go past Hello. Also, Hello and Hello beautiful/cutie are not the same thing. Go ask any woman.
I don't think you've spoken with enough women if you don't think it is "nearly as bad". Every city has it but for sure there are levels. Houston is not as bad as Chicago which is not as bad as New York or Miami which is not as bad(or may be just as bad)as certain Latin-American/North African/European cities.
Hello is an example The point is .. . .you have to convince those guys that what they are saying is 'disrespectful' some are just A-holes and will be no matter what we cannot outlaw being an A-hole . . . . unfortunately Rocket River
I meant to say provocatively not protectively. Now I don't speak to women enough because it is not nearly as bad as the video puts it? You know what, how about we all stop trying to speak for women. /convo
Yes. That's what societies do. That's what families do. Human behavior can change. It's proven. The more people that speak out against something can lead to changes regarding the social acceptability of the behavior. It absolutely can change. Will it change 100%? Of course not. It doesn't mean that you don't raise awareness and consciousness. It's not hard to grasp.
but apparently English is. I never said the behavior was acceptable. GJ beating up that strawman though. What your doing would be like me claiming u just said that a person shouldn't teach their daughter self defense.
Obviously, lol Preach on brother man. I would suggest a rally of some sort against street harassment. Get enough people to come out and march down NYC, I'm sure that will get the message across.
