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James Harden has assisted on only two Dwight buckets.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dream2franchise, Nov 4, 2014.

  1. dream2franchise

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    Obviously it's early in the season, but for or all the talk of Harden and Howard being a one two punch, they don't seem to be working together to create opportunities for each other.

    I've viewed every Harden assist this season on NBA.com, and the two baskets mentioned were simple entry passes into the post where Dwight created for himself. I'm not even sure they should be credited as assists.

    I understand (well, I don't) Dwight's reluctance to run the PnR as the primary option but surely this should be a play they go to every now and then.

    Harden has been finding Ariza, Pap and Jet for corner threes all season and hey, it's working a treat so I'm not complaining. Dwight's presence in the post is a big reason these guys are open for the three since defences are having to choose between allowing the alley-oop or the open three. His off the ball role is obviously important, but his frustration at his offensive output this season is visible and could be a distraction if we hit a rough patch.

    Any thoughts? If it ain't broke so far don't fix it?
     
  2. fallenphoenix

    fallenphoenix Member

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    I remember getting upset during the playoffs that they weren't running Howard/Harden PnR more often. It works every time.
     
  3. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    During the Philly game someone asked me why we never run the PnR.

    Why don't we run the PnR?
     
  4. NotChandlerParsons

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    Pretty much the same. Harden/Howard PnR should be the go-to play with other wrinkles as necessary. Dwight should post up if he has a mismatch.
     
  5. J Sizzle

    J Sizzle Member

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    The Harden/Howard pick and roll has been pretty much abandoned. That's probably the most frustrating part of the season right now.
     
  6. J.R.

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    Why doesn't Dwight run the PnR?

    Folks are still asking this very same question in Los Angeles.

    Give it up, not happening.
     
  7. RV6

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    I haven't liked how Howard has come out, given all he said about bringing it every night the last month or so.....but I think at this point not much will be said, if we complain about a 4-0 team.

    Maybe we're better off with Harden doing his thing and Howard focusing on D, if guys keep hitting the three....


    We need to get back to the alley oops though. Parsons is doing it with Tyson now...we need to take advantage of that option again. Really easy buckets..
     
  8. ClutchCityReturns

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    Sadly, I think it's simply Dwight's desire to prove that he can score from the post. I don't have the stats on hand, but I seem to remember reading last season that Dwight shoots around 70% in the pick and roll and something like 40% on post ups. It's a tad bit infuriating.
     
  9. Carl Herrera

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    Do we have a breakdown of who assisted on how many of Dwight's baskets last year?
     
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    Howard is getting iso-ed by Harden.
     
  11. AirBud#10

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    Dwight's not just focusing on D though, he demands the ball and over 50% of the time, they turn it over trying to get it to him, he turns it over once he gets it, or he gets fouled and bricks some FTs. The offense should run through Harden the ENTIRE time he's on the court. The only time they should try to get it to Dwight in the post is when Harden is on the bench.
     
  12. Junkyard_Dog

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    This team would be so devastating with a consistent H&H PnR. I know Dwight wants to prove himself in the post but its about winning. And the PnR is a winning combination for us
     
  13. dream2franchise

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    I would think a simple formula could be the PnR when they're both on the floor, post up Dwight when Harden is on the bench and Harden scoring, driving and dishing when Dwight is resting.

    Again, Hardens drive and dish game is on point this season so it's not like we're running a bad offense right now.
     
  14. Johndoe804

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    They need to get some creative ways to get the ball to Dwight in the post. Obviously Dwight is a threat as the roll man, but he can basically do a slow roll/pop to get deep position in the post for easy baskets. The need to run some deceptive action to get defenses to let up off of Howard. We've seen Howard be most effective when he catches and makes a move immediately, and he's best able to do that when there's other action that distracts the defense from basically playing a zone on Dwight. Philly had him fronted and double and triple teamed all last night because it was obvious that we were trying to get the ball to him in the post. If the defense had to be focused on covering the pick and roll with Howard down low, he'd have easy opportunites down low when the ball swings from one side to the other. I know the Kevin McHale coaching thing tends to get overblown, but on this I think McHale needs to get his team running some action to get Dwight going one on one in the post with the other four guys focused on what their man is doing instead of dropping down in the post and watching Dwight go one on five.
     
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    Definitely, but he just wont ****ing do it. He should be past that bull**** of trying to prove himself, he's been in the league for a ******* decade! He should only care about winning at this point. He's really starting to piss me off.
     
  16. RV6

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    He needs to get it sooner and they need to create better spacing. That defender coming back to strip him, after the entry passer clears out is inexcusable. If you know he's there, then wait until you see him clear out completely...unfortunately, if the clock is down to 6 seconds, he has to rush things.

    So yeah, makes more sense to post him up when Harden is sitting, so that they can go right to him and not waste time trying other stuff.
     
  17. ClutchCity3

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    DH being isolated..
     
  18. sirbaihu

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    Wait a minute now. Howard said Dream is one of the reasons he came; he's been working with him over a year; let him practice what he's practiced. Reason 1: practice makes perfect! Reason 2: he seems to want it.
     
  19. chow_yun_fat

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    Hasn't DH always been terrible with the PnR?
     
  20. NotChandlerParsons

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    No, those teams in Orlando had the most success running P&Rs with him. He was an elite P&R player.
     

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