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Senate, 2014

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Oct 6, 2014.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    That's simply not the case. I don't doubt that he's not as liberal as some would like him to be, but he's by no means a true centrist....if he were then he wouldn't have struggled to get Democrat support in getting things passed when he had control of congress. His struggles with moderate Democrats in congress is pretty solid evidence that he's not really a moderate even if some are trying to sell him as one.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    It doesn't surprise me that you'll continue to parrot Fox's baseless narrative in your continued attempts to disparage Obama.

    It's all Republicans have these days.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    When he had 6 weeks of Congressional control, he passed the most meaningful piece of healthcare legislation in almost 50 years. It may have been a struggle to get those votes, but since then, he's had the votes of all the people who are actually willing to work with him.

    The people who made up their mind in November 2008 that they would refuse to work with him under any circumstance are the problem. They're the extremists. You're their sheep.
     
  4. rimrocker

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    The one thing we can say with absolute certainty about the Kentucky race at this moment is that it is tied 1-1.

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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    Yes, they managed to bribe enough Democrats with pork to get the disaster of a bill that is the ACA passed but that's just about all that got done which is IMO a big reason why there is such a backlash now.

    Anyway, we'll see how it plays out, maybe the president finally decides to work with the other side of the aisle now that he won't have any other choice, maybe he just vetos everything.
     
  6. pirc1

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    So he should do what every Republican president have done and just ignore the healthcare issue. He basically passed the reform championed by Romney, Dole etc, yes that is such an extreme liberal position to take.
     
  7. mtbrays

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    Shhhh, don't make them think or be forced to come up a viable legislative alternative.
     
  8. Dubious

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    You should enumerate some policy initiatives that you think are outside of a centrist label that were proposed by Mr. Obama. Something specific we can discuss instead of undefined generalizations and aspersions. Remember this is a nation that has a social security tax, a graduated income tax, medicare and medicaid,civil rights legislation, thinks deficits don't matter, anti-trust laws, workman's comp laws, OSHA, the EPA, food stamp program etc. etc. etc. That's the mainstream, accepted character of the federal government.
     
  9. Hustle Town

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    What are your predictions for the number of seats the GOP/Dems will hold after the election and all possible runoffs?

    I think the GOP will have the majority with 52 members (Orman caucuses with Dems)
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    You do realize that it was a Republican administration that first coined that phrase?

    Further there were very liberal Democratic senators who Obama has struggled with. Many of his harshest critics are Senators like Warren and Sanders who aren't moderates. Finally if Obama was such a hard liberal who was strong arming Republicans where is the single payer system or even the public option?
     
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    Sadly, early results are not the fastest. CNN is showing 7% reporting in KY and has already called the race for McConnell. AoS showing 4% reporting and no calls. :(

    That said, it's one state and the overall layout is still superior to everything else out there. So if you don't need the fastest results (or if KY is an outlier), it's still a great option.
     
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    Wow.... Kentucky already called for Mitch McConnell. That was fast.
     
  13. justtxyank

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    Virginia is surprising.
     
  14. rudan

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    From looking at the eyes, it appears to be the average democrat voter :grin:
     
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    Of course if you look at the amendments they are largely submitted by Republicans. He called in Republican leadership to work with them on the bill, and met with them.

    What are you describing never happened. Instead you have the leader of the Republican Senate proclaiming publicly that the NUMBER 1 GOAL of the Republicans was to go against Obama. They were never interested in working with him. His many compromises and actual policies only goes to show how moderate he's been during his presidency, and how much he was willing to compromise.
     
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    Whatever the turnout, it's going to be a long night. Seems every race of import is tight.

    Bummer about KY. Was hoping for a better outcome.

    Looks like NH and NC will hold for the dems.
     
  17. justtxyank

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    Scott walker wins again in Wisconsin and John Kasich wins big in Ohio.

    Both are ones to watch for presidential runs, particularly Kasich who won some important places in Ohio.
     
  18. Mr.Scarface

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    The Democrats running from Obama was a mistake. He can could rally the hispanic and black vote in certain states. Those demographics noticed and didn't turn out.
     
  19. justtxyank

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    More importantly, running from Obama confirms the republican narrative that Obama is bad. I'm not sure it would have mattered really, but it was still stupid.

    Kasich's win is really impressive though. That's a powerful map he won.
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    You're out of touch with the American people. There's a reason candidates didn't want Obama anywhere near them -- he's not well liked, due to the pathetic job he's done in office.
     
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