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I can do that, I've been a pretty serious geek for quite some time.

 

What is there to mistranslate about "killing someone who leaves Islam"? Do you think the original wording was "give someone candy who leaves Islam"?

What is there to mistranslate about "stoning an adulterer to death"? Do you think the original wording was "giving someone a joint who cheats on their husband/wife"?

No. What is evident, once again, is that you don't care about facts - you would rather believe in your preconceived notions.

Here are facts for you: The reason why so many Muslims believe in these terrible things is that so many Muslims think the Quran is infallible and that the Quran prescribes exactly that.

Here is an informative article about stoning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajm

Here is an informative article about the death penalty for apostates in Islam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#Execution

What is there to agree or disagree about?

I'll just re-post my calculation based on the Pew poll - for 5 countries alone, roughly 250 million people - in case you missed it the first time.

As to the poll question about "religious freedom" - the shocking thing is that for so many people, killing someone who wants to leave Islam is apparently not a contradiction to "religious freedom". That actually makes it scarier. Based on the Quran, Christians and Jews can continue to practice their religion under Muslim rule if they pay a special tax. I suspect that many consider that "religious freedom".

 

No, I care about the validity of the poll itself. There are dramatic contradictions in the results. It has nothing to do with my "preconceived notions," it has to do with my advanced education regarding statistical methods in research. My education tells me that, as a result of the dramatic contradictions, the poll results should be questioned as a source for drawing conclusions. You don't care about the contradictions, you ignore them and make the worst possible assumptions.

And even if we accept 250 million people, which is a HUGE (mistaken) assumption in my mind, we're talking about a grand total of about 15% of Muslims.

And I'm the one that's "dense." ROFL

 

They are from only 5 countries. I didn't even include anyone from any other country. Yes - you are dense.

 

Try again, rookie. Sadly, you seem incapable of accepting any criticism of your opinions and seem unwilling to actually look at yourself, preferring to point fingers at others.

Feel free to propose a battle of wits, we'll see who's "dense."

 

I wonder how many of the people in those countries feel free to express their opposition to the concept of apostasy. I'd readily accept such poll results taken from populations in the developed world (where those poll results report a tiny percentage of people who believe such lunacy), but in places where the authorities think you should be stoned to death for apostasy, I certainly wouldn't feel all that free to express a contrary opinion.

But realizing something like this would take actually thinking about why the contradictions in the poll exists. You seem to want to avoid thinking altogether.

Have fun with that.

 

Then try this one:

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

I believe it is unrelated to the Pew poll, but pretty much exactly confirms the figures in that poll.

Why is it so hard for you to accept or understand that people in other parts of the world have opinions that you think they cannot have? Instead of taking it as an educational experience to learn about these attitudes, you decide to just close your eyes and ears and scream NA-NA-NA-NA-NA.

And yes, I have been to Egypt many times and know some Egyptians (Copts and Muslims) who live in Germany - and the sad truth is, I think these opinion polls are pretty accurate.

Your point about people having been scared to speak freely is actually one that is worth discussing.

I therefore went back to the Pew report (http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf) and looked at the part about the methodology (page 147ff).



You are free to read it. Yes, asking such sensitive questions in Muslim countries presents problems. But it seems like they went about it in a very scientific manner.

Also: The mere fact that you cannot ask these questions as freely as you can ask them elsewhere should tell you something - you are willing to use it so you can write off the results, but you are not acknowledging that the fact that you cannot ask questions freely says something by itself about how much tolerance or lack thereof there is when that ideology dominates.

 

Given that over 94% of Egyptians are Muslim, it seems surprising to me that the number is that low. Looks to me like a great many Muslims don't believe in such punishments at all.

I completely believe that there are lots of people in the world with opinions that are radical and antithetical to civilized society. I'm not refusing to accept a thing, I'm merely questioning the scope.

Really? When discussing the topic of the polls, many people responded with contrary opinions, to which your response was re-posting the poll. I question the validity of the poll and give some reasons that anyone looking at that poll should have concerns about its validity and you just re-post the poll. I say in this thread that even if I give you the entirety of your claim that 250 million Muslims believe in the death penalty for apostasy that it only represents 15% of the Muslim population worldwide and you ... wait for it ... re-post the poll.

One of us is repeating themselves ad nauseum like a child, but it isn't me.

 

It actually is you. You just ignore it when I say that the 250 million people are from 5 countries only.

Anyway, anyone can form their own opinion.

I have seen time and time again that you are one of the dumbest morons on this board and bigtexxx schools you every time you are trying to have an argument with him.

Carry on. You have been wasting enough of my time.

 

ROFL. I'm a "dumb moron," but you're afraid to engage in a battle of wits with me.

I'll refrain from the name calling, sad to say you don't.