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Court Reinstates Texas Voter ID Requirement, Allowing State to Enforce Law This Election

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  1. Kim

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    I don't have a dog in this fight, but this argument, if valid, will be outdated by next year. The federal Real ID act puts an end to non-citizen ID card. The work-around states are doing are creating a 2nd tier license for driving purposes with federally approved designs. Basically there are big words across the ID saying "not proof of citizenship" and "only for driving, not for ID"...some stuff like that.
     
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    My understanding of the act, which I will admit is limited, is that it isn't a national ID and that it is still left to the states to issue ID's. They just have to meet certain minimum standards and also be able to be tied into national databases. From what I have read is that the drivers license itself doesn't have to state citizenship status but that legal status will be a needed requirement for obtaining a driver's license.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
    [rquoter]Data requirements

    A Real ID-compliant form of identification requires the following pieces of data:

    Full legal name,
    Signature,
    Date of birth,
    Gender,
    Unique, identifying number,
    Principal residence address,
    Front-facing photograph of the applicant.

    Said cards must also feature specific security features intended to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes. These cards must also present data in a common, machine-readable format (bar codes, smart card technology, etc.). Although the use of wireless RFID chips was offered for consideration in the proposed rulemaking process, it was not included in the latest rulemaking process.[23] DHS could consider additional technological requirements to be incorporated into the licenses after consulting with the states. In addition, DHS has required the use of RFID chips in its Enhanced Driver's License program, which the Department is proposing as an alternative to REAL ID.[24]
    Documentation required before issuing a license or ID card

    Before a card can be issued, the applicant must provide the following documentation:[25]

    A photo ID, or a non-photo ID that includes full legal name and birthdate
    Documentation of birth date
    Documentation of legal status and Social Security number
    Documentation showing name and principal residence address

    Digital images of each identity document will be stored in each state DMV database.[/rquoter]

    Also I'm the REAL ID act is already very controversial which is one reason why full implementation has been delayed several times and many states continue to oppose it feeling that it will be unworkable.

    Another issue regarding this issue, not directed at you Kim, but to many of those including Commodore who I was responding too who have shown a much greater libertarian bent and distrust of big government that they would consider something like the REAL ID act which makes it much much easier for government to track and surveil people to address an issue like voter fraud.
     
  4. ling ling

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    Wouldn't the election judges still need to determine if the ID matches the voter registration?
     
  5. Bandwagoner

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    Do you have a kid intensely interested in biology? Every post of yours is about trilobites or gaboon vipers. I'm so over trilobites.
     
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    Because you keep bending over and attempting to bite three things at once! Aim high and bite one at a time. Trilobites are the spawn of the Devil.

    ;-)-
     
  7. Kim

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    I'm still doing research on it myself. I think the feds have been creating a national database and every state is required to comply. States have complained, but there are only a handful left that aren't complying iirc, and that's just mainly due to funding and not the libertarian cause. I mean, that cause has always been there, but post 9/11, the feds are just systematically crushing it and imposing their will year-by-year.

    The 2nd tier licenses will allow holders to drive, but won't be accepted in federal buildings and at airports. I don't know how that will translate to voting locations. They'll say something like "not a fed ID" which links back to only citizens are allowed to having federally approved IDs.
     
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    Have you seen the bus routes that exist in some cities? It's not like the bus chooses to go in a straight path to the DPS. Many times you're routed through multiple transit hubs and consequently are forced to swap buses repeatedly.

    I'll assume you aren't a regular Metro rider. I tried a few times to use Metro to get around from my house in Houston and it basically turned 15 minute commutes into 1-2 hour commutes because the bus routes required repeat transfers.
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    15 minute commute I assume you mean ~ 15 mile journey. We are talking about a 7.7 mile journey. I could walk that in 2 hours, the article claimed 3 hours on a bus. Of course they didn't mention the distance.
     
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    Caucasian?
     
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    I meant you.
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    capmetro.org says it is a 48 minute bus ride. I questioned (rightly) the article claiming it was 3 hours. Are you saying only a caucasian would have the ability to see through this BS? How about an asian?
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Caucasian much?

    It said it can stretch up to a couple of hours, which, if you've ever been a regular user of public transport, is not really too surprising. You miss a bus or train, and it can be a long wait.

    And of course this is all in theoretical support of a solution that doesn't work to stop a problem that doesn't exist in any meaningful way. It continues however, to be rather excellent at its main goal: limiting the size of the electorate so that otherwise unelectable Republicans are returned to office.

    Anyway, I don't want to take you away from "Big Bang Theory".
     
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  17. Bandwagoner

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    That show sucks. I know tons of graduate students and postdocs. None of them sit around reading comic books and playing video games.
     
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    It was a tongue-in-cheek comment implying due to your skin pigment, you're out of touch with the mass transit options in Texas which mainly minorities (low-income people) use.

    Having used Capital Metro, I know its estimated travel times are too optimistic. Notice he has to take 3 different buses, and this is CAN. No one said 3h like you claim. From my experience, given the horrible bus system and traffic in Austin, that 48m estimate is closer to 1h20m.

    Where does he live? And which DPS is he trying to get to?
     
  19. Bandwagoner

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    1101 Flanagan Cove, Austin, TX 78704

    DPS: 6121 N Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX 78752

    google says 2.5 hours walking. 54 minutes on the bus. 2 buses, not three.

    Considering his job is to go through people's trash, I would think avoiding a bus charge, picking only the premium rubbish, and arriving at the same time the article claims would be sufficient motivation to walk. The dollar he saves can buy him 2 pieces of chicken at Popeyes.
     
  20. CometsWin

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    It's funny, in an incredibly obtuse way, how you choose to focus on him only having a two hour round trip and a couple hours in line at the DPS rather than the fact that having voted his entire life he will not be able to do so now. Clowns gonna clown.
     

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