Court Reinstates Texas Voter ID Requirement, Allowing State to Enforce Law This Election

I don't see the problem with making sure those who show up at the polls are the same as those who registered. Again, who are these people who are legal voters yet don't have any ID? If Cletus and his sister/wife want to vote, they should head into "the big city" and get a damn ID....maybe then they could get a job and pick their kids up from school. You can't do much in society without an ID, voting should be one of those things you need it for. This whole thing is laughable making a 6 dollar ID sound like an actual barrier to people who matter. I'm not concerned with rednecks out in the sticks, or their sisters, and no one else should be either.

Reductio ad absurdum

 

When I say "the right people" I mean those who have a legal right to vote. Not felons, not 16 year olds, not a foreigner on a visa, not dead people that are still registered to vote.....I'm essentially saying the same thing you are, that we should ensure that the people voting are the people who are supposed to be voting.

 

It's an UNNECESSARY barrier, and is a barrier nonetheless. That's why it shouldn't be there.

 

Again, I disagree that it's unnecessary. You should prove who you are when you are trying to execute your rights. If you want to remove the 6 dollar charge for ID's, or make an indigency program that's fine, but it's good policy to have people show they are who they say they are when doing something as important as voting. Trying to pass this off as some kind of legit obstacle to voting for legal voters is ridiculous because even bums can afford a damn 6 dollar ID.

 

^remember folks, the criteria for implementing a law now is not whether it solves a problem, it's whether some anonymous whitey on the Internet thinks it's easy for blacks to comply with.

Bmd- i find your focus on minorities in this thread extremely important. So much so that I'd like you to go on record. Do you know what an "amicus" brief is? I have a feeling that the sentiments you have expressed here today about the impact and intent of the law to be very useful.

I can help you out on this - totes serioso

 

This is the underlying problem with liberals. They think with their heart instead of their head, while electing officials who use their head to take advantage of everyone to fit their own ambitions.

Your right to vote is limited to your state laws and four constitutional amendments.

There is two clauses in the constitution that gives me rights to booze and guns.

 

If you really believed this, you would be happy with the current system as is. These things are already prevented without any extra barriers.

We all know what you really meant by "right people" though...

 

If the voter registrar was accurate and had sufficient oversight, then the voter ID would be pointless.

 

I wonder what the reaction from these window lickers and chalk eaters would be if they removed laws requiring people show ID to buy guns....would they applaud removing "unnecessary barriers" or would they freak out about the potential for the wrong people buying guns? Would it then help if someone suggest that the wrong people buying guns wasn't a problem to begin with or would the potential problem be enough?

 

study: fradulent votes from non-citizens gave Al Franken his senate victory in 2008

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ld-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/

 

As has been shown to you ad nauseam, voter ID laws are pointless and only place additional barriers for hundreds of thousands of people. It is nothing less than a politically motivated attempt to stop American citizens from voting. If you thought with your brain instead of your talk radio, you would realize this already.

 

Your lack of awareness and comprehension is mind boggling.

 

So I guess you are equating guns that have the potential to kill versus the big bad liberal voting public that this barrier mostly affects.

 

apparently some of the liberals believes Bush should be brought up on war crimes, I do think its a valid position..

 

I think that voter fraud could be much more dangerous than any gun.

 

It could be if there was any indication at all that it was a problem. So far THERE IS NONE

 

We should also worry about Martians voting, since that happens with about the same regularity.

Will you support a bill to make sure some sneaky Martians don't cheat our voting system?

 

There's no indication that people other than the US would use nuclear weapons against civilian targets, so why not let everyone have them? It's not worth it to risk it, especially when the measures are easy to implement and are such an obviously good idea. You need an ID to do pretty much anything today, why not to vote?

So far the only argument I've heard against requiring ID's to vote is that rednecks who live deep in the sticks who aren't a part of society might have trouble voting....as if they were going to vote to begin with. The "what if an old person's ID expires" card is nonsense because if you're over 60, your ID doesn't ever expire. This is really just people complaining because they feel that their party would benefit from the potential illegal votes.

 

Even your analogies are wrong.

Everyone already can vote w/o having to show ID and there's no indication that it is a problem. If you are going to make an analogy, at the minimum, at least make it logically consistent.

 

I also noted in your link it says this.
[rquoter]We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.[/rquoter]

In many states, including MN, citizenship isn't a requirement for getting a driver's license or some other state ID. if your argument is that that having a state ID will cut down on non-citizens voting it won't. It might cause more problems as election judges rely on the ID rather than other means to determine validity to vote.