Bill Maher and Sam Harris arguing with Ben Affleck about Islam

You got to stop going to conspiracy websites my xenophobic friend. You can try to spin everything a certain way but when you have to go to radical anti-Islamic sites in order to argue against basic information and facts you sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists.

True to form, you attack the authors vs. the facts. You can't not defeat the facts so you find a way to tar to writer. This is the classic ad hominem route you do it with anyone who counters you. Whether you paint them in the pocket of a Saudi Prince or you call them a r****d which again shows your willingness to denigrate anyone.

 

Looking forward to Lou's post. That was ownage on an epic level.

Edit: looks like Lou was faster than I thought.

Fwiw ATW handled the content and the author of it pretty well.

 

Yes from the wikipedia link:

Dude, this guy is running a hate front to make money. It's not even legit. And that's your source. You are using propaganda to attack the character of a guy putting facts down.

You haven't addressed a single point I have made and instead post tons of irrelevant drivel to obfuscate the fact that you really have no counterpoint.

 

One xenophobe backslapping another.

 

YOu haven't stated any facts, just attacked the guy who came up with the 7% number. You haven't stated what the number is. All you do is say people with beards are radicals and shouldn't be trusted. What are you trying to debate even?

I showed you a gallup poll that shows that Muslim Americans are less violent than Catholics and you ignored that completely.

I mean, you can't even name the action you want people to do to stop Islam, you just want people to know if someone has a beard that looks like a terrorist, they probably are a terrorist.

You're a xenophobe. A bigot. Of the worst kind. And so is your band of racist friends on here. It's disgusting. It's disturbing. And I hope people like you someday come to your senses.

It's scary that you even consider your self to be intelligent and civilized. You're not.

 

Only 6% of Muslims haves stated it is Justified. This guy did not get 20 million. And who cares the fact is that the data is not his own, it's freaking other polls!

The wikipedia argument deconstructs many of your arguments in this thread and instead of addressing them you attack this guy. What about the arguments and case made? Why can't you address those points?

Because you can't! All you can do is attack the person. You have nothing to stand on.

 

What about this? Are you saying the department of defense is run by a radical Saudi?

Why do you only address the facts you can attack the messenger, but not the ones that you can not?

 

dude, you haven't even address the facts I put up in the first place!

 

Something Sam Harris said a few years back:

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/islam-and-the-future-of-liberalism

 

There is a HUGE difference between criticizing Islam and what ATW is doing in saying people with beards can be viewed as terrorists. HUGE

 

ok just continue to ignore my entire post except for one small, minor point.

ATW's agenda IS IRRELEVANT!!! Debate his points who gives a **** what his intentions are - and to be clear he clearly is not saying that just because people have bears they should be considered terrorists. Can you at least try to address our points?

 

What is your point - that Islam is inherently violent? The case for that is circumstantial at best. Does Islam need reform? Of course it does. I have stated that many many times.

But there is a difference between being critical and going to far and saying if you read the Koran you will become more violent. That's just ridiculous.

These people are backward, and so long as people use Islam as the scapegoat you delay addressing the real problem.

If enough Muslims become part of mainstream modern society, they will reform their religion and control their own fanatics.

 

How many Muslims are part of main stream society today, in your opinion? How many are not? If the majority of Muslims don't follow the strand of Islam that ISIS does then why are we not already seeing reform? Why are women is Saudi Arabia forbidden from driving in 2014? Is the whole of SA a backwards 3rd world Muslim society?

 

That was not my point at all, and if you read any of my post you would know that, but that point can certainly be argued, and actually, the case for Islam being inherently violent is not circumstantial at all, in fact is is rather clear that this is the case.

Mohammad was a violent warlord to be blunt. He has no business being a prophet for a religion that has ~1.5 billion followers that view him as infallible (obviously not talking about all Muslims here, but the vast majority have this viewpoint) and will blindly commit the same atrocities he does/support them blindly, just because Mohammad did - this is the problem with Islam, that the majority of followers view his actions as derived from God himself and that he could make no mistake. It is simply not ok to use him as an example for all of humanity due to the many viscous actions that he either committed/ordered/condoned during his lifetime.