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Official Fire McHale Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FTW Rockets FTW, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. NL Rocket

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    100% agree! I'm still baffled by Morey's decision making, but who knows, it might be Leslie pulling the strings. Whoever it may be, a guy like Hollins would've done wonders for this team since McHale lets his assistants do all the work. Last year Sampson was in charge of defense, now it's JB and though we have improved somewhat, it's more personell and mindset than strategy. Unfortunately, I don't see any changes coming, even if we lose big. McHale is here to stay, especially with not many good coaches left out there..
     
  2. dobro1229

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    They are trying to an easy hand off from Dwight for a layup, but it doesn't work cause their cuts are too clunky, they aren't hitting the right driving lanes, and they are waiting too long.

    The problem with Dwight's post ups isn't that he's a bad passer, or that he can't finish tough shots (well.. he isn't a great finisher outside of 3 feet but its besides the point). The problem is whats going on around him that either opens up space for him to take his man one on one, or gets easy looks for others on a pass off. Its some of the worst post up offense I've ever seen done on the NBA level.
     
  3. WinkFan

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    Cutting to the basket after making a post entry pass is something almost everyone does. I've seen it a million times in games McHale didn't coach. You can get layups if you do it right.
     
  4. srrm

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    This is entirely speculation on your part.

    I know the way to win the internet is to speak in superlatives even when you're iffy on facts, but tone it down. There is no evidence for any of this. You've obviously got a biased view of all the information that's come out so far. Even Abott's recent Lakers story said McHale was one important key to Dwight coming to Houston.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    Basket cuts off of post ups are all about timing, and chemistry with your big man. If you get the timing wrong, the big doesn't know you are making your cut, or you just waltz into the lane right as the big is starting to make their move, you bring your defender and your own lethargic body into the paint at the worst possible time, and suddenly the big is trying to shoot in the paint with at least 3 other bodies clogging up his space.

    Maybe McHale does really know how to coach post ups, and its just the players being idiots, but either way its up to him to correct this if he wants to give Dwight a chance of being a halfway productive post player this year. Its something that I'm baffled he hasn't done better with this team seeing as he was one of the greatest post up players of all time.
     
  6. Rip Van Rocket

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    All just speculation on your part. None of us know for sure why Dwight came to Houston. Probably a combination of factors. I think it's safe too say that Dwight wasn't opposed to McHale being the coach, or Morey would have made a change. It seems that NBA players generally like McHale from what I have seen.

    I expect this to be McHale's last season in Houston. Morey screwed up this team in his quest for a third star, so I think the team will struggle to make the playoffs this year, and McHale will be blamed. But, make no mistake, Morey is responsible for what will come this season.

    McHale isn't a great coach in my opinion. But there is no coach that ClutchFans will be happy with. Clutch fans wanted Rudy fired, they wanted Van Gundy fired, they wanted Adelman fired, and they will want McHale's successor fired. That's what fans do.
     
  7. SF3isBack!!

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    ^This, Parsons fans were also saying the saying the same thing about Parsons yet Dwight is perfectly fine with Parsons leaving and he really likes Ariza.
     
  8. SF3isBack!!

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    Dwight actually said that Harden is a once in a lifetime player.
     
  9. Htownballer38

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    Fire McHale and hire the best internet coach in the world Mr. Holic. bwhahahahah
     
  10. Htownballer38

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    During the Playoff's the spacing for Dwight was much better than it was during the regular season. D12 was able to utilize his quickness and power during those 6 games. Unfortunately we still loss due to other visible reasoning's.
     
  11. sirbaihu

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    According to Bucher, Dwight said McHale is one of the reasons he came to Houston.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-critics-unfairly-finding-he-can-do-no-right
     
  12. dobro1229

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    Most of the time that was with Asik on the floor too. Meaning the other big wasn't really trying to do much more than get out of the way, was merely concerned with blocking out, and set screens for other guys on the perimeter. He wasn't trying to do a half a#$ flash in the paint.

    I do think movement around a post up player is good, but it needs to happen early, quick, and decisive. If its a late flash in the paint, Howard should know its coming. Jones and D-Mo especially just seem to lumber into the paint like they are unsure of where they are supposed to go. Its very frustrating.

    If you go watch clips of Duncan post ups back in the day its interesting to watch the other 4 guys on the court. Especially the other big. If they are flashing in the paint at any time they usually have a purpose, and usually that purpose is to immediately body up their man to try and get an offensive rebound right before Duncan makes his move.

    Pop is so concerned with giving Duncan space that Parker will make the pass and sometimes go out of bounds behind Tim to not bring his man in the play. How many times do you see the Rockets throw the entry pass and just stand there at the 3 point line instead of shifting position to clear space?

    I think alot of it has to do with the players and chemistry, but it just baffles me that McHale, an all time great post player, can have such poor post up plays run in his offense. And this is coming from a "McHale apologist".
     
  13. blueshampoo

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    Any Mchale fans here? Can you answer me this question?:

    We are always looking to upgrade players, and it's no different with coaches. If we had a chance to hire Popovich over Mchale, we do it, no questions asked. So since even the Mchale supporters can agree that Mchale isn't the best coach in the league and could use an upgrade, why shouldn't we upgrade him?

    Don't give me the "Mchale attracts FA Bull" cuz it's not true. So tell me, what's the reason for keeping him?
     
  14. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Who's available to replace McHale that's significantly better?
     
  15. Haymitch

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    What big name, win now coach could we hire who would be ok with Morey's tinkering?

    Also, McHale did factor into Dwight coming here per Dwight. So unless you can prove he was lying I'll assume he wasn't.
     
  16. shastarocket

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    I was down for SVG, but that ship has sailed and he (likely) wanted FO control

    Now i'm hoping Ettore Messina is ready for a HC gig by this summer.
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I root for the Rockets but I ultimately think McHale will cost this team in the end, and that we need a much better coach to reach this team's potential.

    DD
     
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  19. sirbaihu

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    Well, I posted over the summer that McHale actually has a higher regular season winning percentage than every Rockets coach but Adelman. So who do you want to upgrade to?

    George Karl? King of the first-round exit.
    Sloan? walking dead
    JVG? worse record than McHale, but if you dig games that score in the 80's, maybe
    Adelman 2? not gonna happen

    Throw some names out! Who do you want to upgrade to?
     
  20. sirbaihu

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    Everyone says he's good. But to me he is an unknown entity. Anyone who thinks McHale does not have better recruiting power than Chris Finch . . . get real. You really think Chris Finch would have closed the deal with Dwight Howard? The players will respect Chris Finch enough? It's all just imagination at this point.
     

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