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Possible US Airstrikes on ISIS in Iraq

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Aug 7, 2014.

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  1. Exiled

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    Do u know that Qaida, ISIS etc, violate Islamic laws! They are completely against the principle of this religion..

    Question: Does Islam Approve of Terrorism and War?
    Answer:
    In order to understand the answer to this question, another concept must first be introduced. Islam is different than most, if not all, other religions. Most religions teach a set of beliefs to be held internally, combined with a set of rituals to be practiced externally. Islam includes these aspects and more. Islam is regarded by Muslims as not just a religion in the sense of it being a collection of beliefs and practices, but also as a complete way of life. Islam teaches Muslims how to live every aspect of their life, from proper etiquettes of eating and drinking all the way up to solutions for social and economic problems facing
    , Islam recognizes that Muslims will be involved in wars, just like every other human society in the history of mankind.

    Islam recognizes that waging war against injustice and fighting in self-defence are an unavoidable fact of life. In fact, Islam teaches that if such wars did not occur, there would be great injustice in the world because if good people did not stand up to defend justice, then evil would prevail. It would also be illogical to require people not to defend themselves when attacked and not to protect their right to their lives, property, wealth and

    Islam strongly forbids Muslims from waging war against peaceful people and nations that have not attacked Muslims or usurped their rights: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God does not love transgressors" (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 2, Verse 190) and "Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you and fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then God has opened no way for you (to fight a war against them)" (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 4, Verse 90). Also, Islam requires Muslims to accept any peace proposals by their enemies as long as the rights and property of Muslims are not lost: "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)" (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 8, Verse 61). Islam also teaches that God hates those who betray others: "Allah loveth not the treacherous" (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 8, Verse 58).

    Islam gives other more detailed rules for Muslims to adhere to during times of war. These include the following:

    Civilians who are not actively involved in the fighting are to be left out and may not be harmed
    Killing of women, children, the elderly is forbidden
    Betrayal is forbidden
    Mutilating corpses of the dead is forbidden
    Cutting down trees is forbidden
    Destroying buildings is forbidden
    Killing those who surrender is forbidden
    Finally, Islam also provides teachings on dealing with prisoners of war: "And they (the believers) feed (even though they need the food for themselves) the indigent, the orphan, and the captive, (Saying): We feed you for the sake of God alone: no reward do we desire from you, nor thanks" (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 76, Verses 7-8) Islam also requires Muslims to properly clothe prisoners of war, and forbids all forms of torture or harming of prisoners.

    If all of these rules are implemented by all armies across the world, we would no longer hear about massacres of civilians, indiscriminant bombing of cities, execution or torture of prisoners or other similar atrocities which we hear on the news on a daily basis.
     
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    Another sectarian inspired Islamist conspiracy theory "boogeyman" put to rest. Although more and sooner would have been better.

    Turkey to let Iraq Kurds join Kobane fight (link)

     
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    How does that put anything to rest? All it says is that Erdogan couldn't keep up the open resistance to allowing help for the Kurds under international pressure, for now.

    In fact, the article explicitly confirms that Erdogan has been anti-Kurds up to this point - which means he was helping ISIS.
     
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    read it again.
     
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    So you read it again - have you now understood it?
     
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    Contrary to the non-sensical attempts at misinformation g1184 tries to spread, ISIS is actually operating inside Turkey, and that would not be possible without help, or support from people inside Turkey.

    Now ISIS is operating INSIDE Turkey: Militants fail in attempt to kidnap Syrian rebel leader in city 20 miles from border

    Islamic State militants have shot and wounded a senior Syrian rebel commander inside Turkey, it has been claimed, raising yet more questions of Ankara's commitment to defeating the terror group.
    Abu Issa, the leader of a group fighting ISIS in the besieged city of Kobane, and his 20-year-old son Ammar, were ambushed by jihadists in the southeastern Turkish town of Urfa on Friday afternoon.
    The pair - who had been attending a meeting with Turkish officials - were snatched from their car in an apparent kidnapping attempt, after the driver of their car allegedly simply switched off the engine when confronted by four heavily armed ISIS militants at a roadblock.
    After being seized they were driven at high speed towards the Syrian border and only managed to escape when one of the third-party smugglers ISIS uses to transport people and weapons into Syria bailed on the plan after spotting Turkish soldiers.

    None of the Islamic State attackers wore masks and two of them were known to Abu Issa from fighting in Kobane, his aides in the Thuwar Raqqa rebel group told the Telegraph.
    Using an alternative acronym for the terror group, spokesman Ahmed Abdul Khader said: 'Isil cars blocked the road ahead of them, and four armed men grabbed them from the vehicle. It was 6.30pm.'

    A matching account of the kidnapping was reportedly given to the newspaper by another military commander in the group, Abo Ayham.
    He claimed that Abu Issa's driver - who was also his most trusted advisor - had been in on the plot, driving the rebel leader into a quiet back road where the extremist were waiting, refusing to turn the vehicle around when ordered to do so, and turning off the car's engine rather than trying to escape.

    The news raises yet more questions about Turkey's commitment to the international fight against ISIS, after Ankara drew a great deal of international criticism for refusing to intervene to help Kurdish fighters battling militants just 200 yards over the border in Kobane.
    There are also serious questions over why Turkey has allowed thousands of Western jihadists - who enter the country on budget airlines in tourist resorts - to easily pass over the border into Syria to join ISIS fighters there.
    Turkey has long argued that ISIS does not have a presence in the country.
    Others claim small cells are able to operate in southern Turkish towns, easily popping over the border to fight in Syria before returning home to Turkey.
    There are even claims from those on the ground that wounded ISIS militants are routinely smuggled from the frontline to receive treatment in Turkish hospitals, which are better equipped and less-stretched than those in northern Syria.
    Turkey has also been accused of allowing up to 3,000 detained Western jihadists to rejoin the Islamic State in Syria in return for the release 49 diplomats who had been held prisoner by the terrorists.


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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...syrian-rebel-leader-city-20-miles-border.html
     
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    It looks like Turkey's actions and lack of action is taking a toll diplomatically.

    http://www.newsweek.com/venezuela-malaysia-angola-new-zealand-win-un-council-seats-277962

    Turkey Loses U.N. Security Council Seat in Huge Upset

    In a tremendous upset, Turkey lost a contest in the United Nations General Assembly, exposing increasingly contentious frictions with some of its neighbors and world powers.

    Trying to become a nonpermanent member of the Security Council, Turkey lost out to Spain and New Zealand in a contest for two available seats reserved for a voting bloc called the Western European and Others Group, which includes the United States.

    In the past few days, according to several diplomatic sources, there was an intense campaign, led by Egypt and Saudi Arabia, against Turkey’s membership in the council. The two countries are angered by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s support for the Muslim Brotherhood, which both are fighting at home.

    On Wednesday night, Turkey’s foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, hosted a posh party for diplomats at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York, where many of the guests predicted an easy victory for Turkey. But some diplomats said after the Thursday vote they had detected an unmistakable movement away from the Turkish camp to the Spain.

    Syria, as well as its ally Iran and several others, are also peeved by Erdoğan’s frequent calls to unseat Syrian President Bashar Assad. Several Western countries are alarmed by recent reports of Turkish attacks on Kurds fighting ISIS in Syria. And Turkey’s traditional opponent, its neighbor Greece, is also said to have lobbied against its election to the U.N.’s most prestigious body.

    “It’s surprising, because I was told just days ago that Turkey received letters of support from 160 countries,” said one diplomat after the secret ballot ended in Turkey’s failure to edge out Spain. The diplomat noted, however, that Spain received 154 letters of support from the 193 General Assembly members. “This isn’t the way this should be done,” said the diplomat, referring to the habit among member states of expressing support publicly while opposing membership in secret balloting.

    After several rounds of voting, Turkey ended up receiving the support of only 60 General Assembly members, while Spain got 132 votes, more than enough to satisfy the necessary threshold of 128 supporters.

    New Zealand got elected in an earlier round. Angola, Malaysia and Venezuela ran unopposed in their regional voting blocs.

    The American U.N. ambassador, Samantha Power, homed in on Venezuela after the vote, saying in a statement, “Venezuela’s conduct at the U.N. has run counter to the spirit of the U.N. Charter, and its violations of human rights at home are at odds with the Charter’s letter. The United States will continue to call upon the government of Venezuela to respect the fundamental freedoms and universal human rights of its people.”

    The five newly elected members will replace Australia, Argentina, Luxembourg, South Korea and Rwanda on January 1 and will serve on the council for two years. Power’s statement promises to create new tensions among council members, but perhaps not as tense had Turkey become a member.
     
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    Very good. Turkey should NOT be on the Security Council, as long as it is governed by an Islamist dictator.
     
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    I thought you said the Turks are aiding ISIS ... why was the driver afraid of Turkish soldiers?
     
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    your article also explains why Turkey is on the fence with ISIS:

    ... can't seem to find mention of sunni extremist Erdogan secretly hoping for ISIS victory ...
     
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    Airstrike on ISIL.
     
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    Only hit the flag they staked into the ground, correct? Woohoo! I wonder how much it cost to drop ordinance on a flag atop a hill in the desert.
     
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    I lol'd in the store when i read the name of the game.
     
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    Pride is a mother****er.
     
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    It sure is. You know those MFers that got away probably have their pants melted to their asses.
     

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