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The results are clear: Ariza > Parsons

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Amel, Oct 9, 2014.

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  1. YOLO

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    overpaid is the word
     
  2. alethios

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    I heard he was being paid by the pound...
     
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    I like how you mention one-man fast breaks like it's a complete game changer. Well Ariza is a great shot blocker, and you don't even need to remember it as you have pic of him blocking Ol' Chubs in this very thread. He's also pretty good at 2 man fast breaks, which happens when he steals the ball from the opponent and then passes it to another guy for the easy layup.
     
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    How does one man fast break work? The same guy rebounds the ball, dribbles coast to coast and finishes?
     
  5. alethios

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    That's a LeBron fastbreak but not a Chubby Chandler fastbreak.
     
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    lol

    I bet if you supersize his kid meal he will fast break.
     
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    Yeah, I'm pretty confused at that comment. Parsons was definitely good at finishing off the fast breaks, but very rarely did he just go coast-to-coast, unless I'm misunderstanding what he meant by that.

    Having said that, Parsons > Ariza in that category, I would say.
     
  8. Dave_78

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    I'm pretty sure that is what he meant and I agree with you.

    Back to the value of having a "one man fast-break", it was a luxury to have a third player in the starting lineup who could reliably handle the ball (and finish) in the open court but I don't think it overshadows the fact Ariza is probably better than Parsons in pretty much all facets of the game outside of dribbling. Also, Ariza can handle the ball in transition he just isn't able to do it as well under pressure as Parsons. Ariza is also quite capable of getting to the rim and finishing if someone chases him off his three pointer so it's not as if we lost a point forward and replaced him a one-dimensional spot-up shooter.

    We can debate who the better player is but the league (and certainly the Rockets) puts 3 and D at a premium among all other things in its wing players. Personally, I think if Parsons could shoot 40ish% from three and went back to giving the effort he gave as a rookie on defense and throttled back all the ball-handling he might be a more valuable player to most teams than he was to the Rockets last season.
     
  9. Amel

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    So far so good

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    For some reason its not bringing over Arizas numbers, the link is good

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  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Your are comparing two players over 5 games!

    Ariza is better than I expected, but Parsons is going to be a legit star. His upside offensively is far greater than Ariza.

    Ariza may be a better fit for us in the long run, but Parsons can do a lot more offensively, people forget how much younger Parsons is.
     
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    Stopped reading here.....surely youre joking
     
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    Ariza is fitting in great right now. Very good addition. However, and hopefully it doesn't happen, if we lose our playmaker for an extended period of time things can become really ugly, really fast.
     
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    That ORtg to DRtg spread for Ariza :eek:
     
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    That's funny because there really wasn't anything to read past that.

    I mean, Cuban isn't getting Parsons for the player he was last year, he got him for the player he expects him to blossom into.
     
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    Damn, Parsons is having a great start to the season. If he scores 19 on 50% FG, 40% 3PT, and 85% FT, that would be very impressive.
     
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    Ariza is scoring more efficiently and shooting better than Parsons while also playing elite level defense at 8 mil/yr. Hopefully the narrative about how Morey totally got "owned" by Cuban goes away. Parsons will continue to score in high volume, but the mavs never had a scoring problem. It's only 5 games but Ariza is shooting 60% from behind the arc lol.
     
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    Ariza gunning for the 50%, 60%, 90% club
     
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    For our team Ariza>Parsons ALL DAYM DAY!!!
     
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    We also need stats about the opposing assignment on defense. Add that to the offensive stats, that's where Ariza blows Parsons away.
     
  20. rockbox

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    The Boston game where he went 4/5 from downtown really skewed the numbers. His numbers were very typical for him in his other 3 games.
     

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