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Ebola 1st case in the US

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Ron from the G, Sep 30, 2014.

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  1. dachuda86

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    You are contagious when you first show symptoms. Fever being one of them. Yes, she was possibly contagious on that flight.
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    yeah I'm gonna go ahead and take Azadre's word for it. Although technically your own link doesn't say what you think it says so I am basically taking everyone's word for it except for yours.
     
  3. KingCheetah

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    Started talking about this months before anyone else had any interest.
     
  4. B-Bob

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    Thanks -- my bad. Still seems like a bad idea but that is hindsight.
     
  5. Ubiquitin

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    Wunderlich established 100.4°F (38.0°C) as the upper limit of the normal range.
    If you believe Wunderlich was wrong, then you'd use Mackowiak's contemporary limit which is defined as:

    "37.7°C (99.9°F) overall should be regarded as the upper limit of the normal oral temperature range in healthy adults aged 40 years or younger, and several of Wunderlich's other cherished dictums should be revised.(JAMA. 1992;268:1578-1580)"

    Upper limit of normal is not mild. But then again if this nurse's basal temperature was 96 and she went up to 99.5 then she probably would have a fever but not in the traditional sense. But a fever is just a sign of an inflammatory response, and her other serum markers should be abnormal.

    Since you're interested: http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=209609
     
  6. ynelilvs99

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    How could anyone think, I'm having a fever so it's ok to board an airplane.. Wouldn't u be thinking screw the flight I need to get to a hospital???
     
  7. ynelilvs99

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    Furthermore ebola isn't something to mess around with. U think u have it, I would hope u want something being done immediately. Pump some fluids, experimental drug, whatever needs to happen, get it going ASAP. Wasting precious time that could be used to save your life ... It just doesn't make any sense to me.
     
  8. dachuda86

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    Great and all, but doesn't change the fact that ebola starts spreading when symptoms start, including fever, which she did in fact have. You are asserting that Ebola is not transmittable at low-grade fever range?
     
  9. Ubiquitin

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    I am asserting that a measured temperature of 37.5 and exposure to ebola does not mean you have contracted it.

    But if you were directly exposed to Ebola, had a rise in temperature and started to develop Flu like symptoms (headache, muscle pain, diarrhea, vomiting, stomach pain, or unexplained bruising or bleeding) then you've likely contracted it.

    Ebola typically has a fever of over 38.5 C.

    The biggest and most cited study which the routes of transmission are based off of describe virus in "saliva samples (8 of 16 samples), a skin swab (1 of 11), stool (2 of 4), semen (1 of 2), breast milk (2 of 2), tears (1 of 1) and nasal blood (1 of 1). No virus was found in the samples tested of urine (0 of 11), vomit (0 of 2), phlegm (0 of 2) and sweat (0 of 1)."
    Knowing in retrospect that she had a viral load, could she have transmitted the virus? Absolutely. But did she? I'm not so sure, and only time will tell. Fever without a mode of transmission will not lead to spreading the virus.

    Nurses are in a unique position because they're literally cleaning the "blood, tears, and ****" off of these patients every several hours. Thomas Duncan's non-medical close contacts still have not shown signs of infection and he was farther along and almost certainly had a much higher viral load.
     
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    The fact that she was calling because she thought she could potentially be contagious should have been reason enough to stay. She used her judgment and made a good decision to check with CDC, she should of continued her good judgment by staying off and playing it safe. Like most humans though, she was selfish and decided to get on the plane potentially exposing others.
     
  11. Major

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    Or she followed the medical advice she was given. The nurse is not a scientist and likely not an expert on ebola. I don't see why it's unreasonable for her to trust what the actual ebola experts at the CDC tell her.
     
  12. mr. 13 in 33

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    Its not unreasonable I just feel it was a selfish act. I understand that CDC dropped the ball as well, but I do feel she could of used better judgment being aware of the circumstances.
     
  14. Dairy Ashford

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    Nope, booking and paying for travel is a pain in the ass, don't give up that seat until they take it from you.
     
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    If the CDC told her she could fly, I'm not sure why she would second guess them. Hard to blame the gal.

    tragic any way you look at it
     
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    Yeap.
     
  18. Zboy

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    No one listened to me when I called for Dallas to quarantined for a few years a few pages ago....
     
  19. got em COACH

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    weird. Looks like CDC want it to spread.



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