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Ebola 1st case in the US

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Ron from the G, Sep 30, 2014.

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  1. fallenphoenix

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    ignorance isn't an excuse. it's her job to know this disease and that traveling would be risky after such an exposure. she should take personal responsibility, but the buck stops with the cdc
     
  2. Duncan McDonuts

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    From a healthcare provider's standpoint, they were told from the CDC that you follow these steps, you will be safe. All those nurses are saying they did follow them, but apparently they didn't have the best equipment to be completely safe. Yet, they still made sure to stay away from bodily fluids and sanitize as much as possible.

    Vinson, the second nurse, flew to Cleveland on October 10 and returned October 13. Pham, the first nurse infected, was diagnosed on October 11. By Vinson's perspective, she along with fellow nurses were following the proposed protocols and were all safe. We know she monitored her condition after Pham was diagnosed and had a fever of 99.5. That is hardly a fever. With any suspicion, I'm sure she kept proper sanitation on public transportation and avoided coughing, sneezing, or physical contact with others.

    I just find it hard to vilify Vinson. By her account, she had followed directions from the CDC and felt she was safe. Her trip was planned before she thought patient zero would walk into her hospital. In my opinion, the CDC is responsible for containing this disease and they've mishandled it poorly. I think it's hard to see Vinson become such a public enemy when she's risked her life treating patients with this disease.
     
  3. Major

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    To be fair, the flight TO Cleveland happened before the other nurse was diagnosed. The flight back occurred after.
     
  4. droopy421

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    Who cares if they already had a preplanned trip? You don't carelessly expose others to such a contamination. Plans change, she should have not exposed others like patient zero did. That hospital has been a cluster**** since the day Duncan walked in.
     
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    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/
     
  6. DreamShook

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    So when the CDC said they told the staff they couldn't fly, that was a lie? The nurse wouldn't be calling the CDC to see if she was ok to fly if she was told she couldn't fly.
     
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    "Heckuva job Brownie!"
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    99.5 is not a fever.
     
  9. dachuda86

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    99.5 is a low grade fever
     
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    they should put her on trial for attempted man slaughter... she knowingly exposed others on that plane. She knew it was a risk. She knew she had a fever. And she knew she had contact with patient zero.
     
  12. dachuda86

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    She took her temperature because she KNEW she was at risk, and then when she had a fever, she high-tailed it back home, risking everyone.
     
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    It's kind of mind-boggling how little common sense has been on display since the guy in Dallas got sick.
     
  14. Ubiquitin

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    38° C is the accepted cutoff for fever. That is 100.4° F.
    99.5 F is 37.5 C, and not a fever.
     
  15. Rocket River

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    The other exposed her boyfriend and others . .. maybe they should be on trial together

    Rocket River
     
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    Please explain why the nurse noticed a fever and called CDC. Was it not because she noticed she had a fever?
     
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    All of the people in the "potential contact" list should be taking their temperatures daily. Apparently, she called the CDC about and they said it was good. I don't think it's unreasonable of her to fly at that point if the CDC gives her the OK.
     
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    99.5 F is hardly a fever. And that is the earliest symptom of ebola. She is not spewing blood and vomit everywhere exposing everyone to a huge viral load of ebola.

    Yeah, it probably wasn't smart for her to travel. But she was not even close to infecting others.
     
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    She called multiple times and has medical training. Her gut told her she was getting sick. As a nurse, she knows that 99.5 is a low grade fever and it is in fact the time viruses are showing symptoms, and therefore transmittable. Any nurse with a reasonable amount of knowledge in that field should know that. I'm sure she knew she could be shedding virus by that point should she have Ebola. The CDC hotline is using low standards for temperature checks and that's obvious to anyone who bothers to look past their credentials.
     

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