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Ebola 1st case in the US

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Ron from the G, Sep 30, 2014.

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  1. justtxyank

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    Yep. Ebola has been occurring for 40 years in Africa without mutating. Then, two patients are treated in the best hospitals to handle the disease and it doesn't spread. Suddenly when a local hospital in Dallas treats a patient it suddenly mutates and become airborne!!!!!!

    Or, more likely, the disease is the same as it's been for 40 years and the nurses at the hospital in Dallas were poorly trained to deal with it.

    Also, the Purdue doctor that was on Fox News was completely discredited by the guy who argued against him last night. The guy from Purdue even had to admit that he has no evidence that ebola has or will become airborne, just that he has studied a possible way in an academic study. In the real world study that is going on right now in both Dallas, the two patients that were treated in America at first, the NBC reporter that is currently being treated and the THOUSANDS of people with it in Africa, there is ZERO evidence of mutation or aerosolization.

    Don't let the media scare you.

    Until someone who had no direct contact with the blood of an infected ebola patient is infected, there is zero fear of an epidemic in the United States. Heck, right now we don't even have a third generation infection in the United States (someone who did not have contact with a patient 0).
     
  2. Sajan

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    Ebola then spreads through human-to-human transmission via direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and with surfaces and materials (e.g. bedding, clothing) contaminated with these fluids.

    Health-care workers have frequently been infected while treating patients with suspected or confirmed EVD. This has occurred through close contact with patients when infection control precautions are not strictly practiced.

    Burial ceremonies in which mourners have direct contact with the body of the deceased person can also play a role in the transmission of Ebola.

    People remain infectious as long as their blood and body fluids, including semen and breast milk, contain the virus. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness
     
  3. Lady_Di

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    There are going to be more...as long those nurses know better to immediately go to the hospital once they show signs.

    I am concerned about non-health workers if they got infected from those nurses or people they came in contact who were in contact with those nurses...they will be less likely to go to the hospital if presented with signs of ebola thinking it might be flu/cold. Hopefully common sense will prevail in those situations. :eek:
     
  4. TheRealist137

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    Wouldn't be surprised if some ISIS idiots go to West Africa, try to contact ebola, and then intentionally spread it in western nations. Seems like a good idea from their perspective.
     
  5. justtxyank

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    Yeah it seems like a really good idea. I mean, think how easy it would be for them to spread ebola! They might be able to cough up blood on 2 or 3 people and give them ebola! then those people might survive! Brilliant!

    Who needs suicide bombing that kills hundreds when you can get a few people sick and kill yourself in the process!
     
  6. TheRealist137

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    yeah they could bomb a few hundred people but even that won't cause as much panic as if a few random citizens contract ebola. It's about fear and ebola makes that happen.
     
  7. Major

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    I don't think you're going to find many people volunteer to die by ebola - I imagine it's not the most fun way to die.
     
  8. justtxyank

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    Ebola has been outbreaking for 40 years.

    If terrorists were lining up to get themselves sick with ebola and die a horrible death to infect a few people to cause a panic, I think it might have happened by now.
     
  9. tallanvor

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    What if I told you about the 72 virgins? Ebola doesn't sound so bad now.
     
  10. Ziggy

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    I think the nurses got infected because they probably underwent a ton of training where they were told how unlikely it would be for them to get the virus. To just stay away from bodily fluids, wash up, etc...

    Trustworthy literature, news sources and subject matter experts seem to go out of there way to extinguish the fear mongering. Meanwhile, the reality is, people around people with Ebola seem to get Ebola. No it isn't airborne, yes it's highly contagious. It is what it is.
     
  11. TL

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    False confidence. CDC failed. Texas Pres failed. Let's hope everyone learned from the failures and no one else loses their life.
     
  12. Bandwagoner

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    How did the CDC fail?
     
  13. TechieOne

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    From the sounds of it, the hospital management itself wasn't prepared at all.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/health/texas-ebola-nurses-union-claims/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    Projectile vomit + lack of mandatory training + lack of timely waste removal + lack equipment
     
  14. B-Bob

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    Thank you. The media lives to scare the **** out of people, 24/7, so we'll watch more. It's like one big horror movie schtick, keeping everyone on the edges of their seats. Addictive, and awful.

    If you are not properly trained to use high-level protective gear, and if you have had little experience with it, it is, I assume, easy to make key mistakes.

    The virus in a host, I assume, multiplies its count exponentially. So, yes, as others have posted, late in the illness, a very sick patient will basically be an enormous risk for spreading the virus to others. Every drop of sweat, saliva, pee, etc., is loaded with virus. It's sad, but it seems to recommend that early treatment be aggressive (as with nurse Pham, looks good so far), and then if someone is losing the battle, healthcare workers should minimize their own contact and risk wherever possible.
     
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    It was Dallas that failed...again and again.
     
  16. SunsRocketsfan

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    How the heck didnt the CDC fail??!!
    CDC got exposed as pathetic and clueless with this crisis..

    From the spewing and downplaying of the seriousness of the disease to claiming ebola will be contained and stopped with Thomas Duncan. To the non involvement with thomas duncans care. They should not have left a local hospital deal with such a deadly disease on their own. Their so called specialized team with the right equipment should have quarantined Duncan. They did it for Dr Brantley why not in this case? The CDC director who is a buffoon, now admits they should have done that. The two new infections and any new ones is completely on the CDC. It sucks that the so called worlds best in the CDC failed so badly in this case. Also this comes from someone who's dad worked at the CDC for 15+ years.
     
  17. tallanvor

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    The Center for Disease Control has done a poor job controlling the disease (you have one job!). Now if it ends here and it is just these 3 people that get infected, then I would say they did a good job. I think that's unlikely though.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/CDCgov">@CDCGov</a> says second health worker infected with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ebola?src=hash">#Ebola</a> flew from Cleveland to Dallas w/ 132 others night before reporting symptoms</p>&mdash; Brian M. Rosenthal (@brianmrosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmrosenthal/status/522405353674539008">October 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The flight in question is Frontier Airlines flight 1143, from Cleveland and landing in Dallas/Fort Worth at 8:16 p.m. CST on 10/13. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ebola?src=hash">#Ebola</a></p>&mdash; Brian M. Rosenthal (@brianmrosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmrosenthal/status/522406061320712194">October 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Frontier Airlines statement: &quot;Customer exhibited no symptoms or sign of illness while on flight 1143&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ebola?src=hash">#Ebola</a></p>&mdash; Brian M. Rosenthal (@brianmrosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmrosenthal/status/522406258935345152">October 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash">#BREAKING</a>: WFAA has confirmed that the second nurse infected with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ebola?src=hash">#Ebola</a> is Amber Joy Vinson, 26.</p>&mdash; Jason Whitely (@JasonWhitely) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonWhitely/status/522404332621553664">October 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  19. Bandwagoner

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    Yeah that doesn't sound reactionary at all. The hospital failed to protect it's workers. The CDC was busy tracking down people with no address or phone or names to prevent the disease from spreading to the public. The CDC doesn't rush in and care for people.

    The CDC had the diseased patient in the care of what it assumed (and had every reason to assume) was a competent hospital. The hospital was incompetent.
     
  20. SunsRocketsfan

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    The cdc director disagrees with you
    http://www.providencejournal.com/br...admits-it-should-have-sent-team-to-dallas.ece
     

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