ClutchFans Game Thread: Suns @ Rockets 10/13/2014 (PRESEASON)

I noticed that not even Chris Bosh was fitting his PF profile. It was probably Chris Bosh by any means

Good Defense
Elite Rebounding
3 pt shooting
Good size

Chris Bosh is not a top rebounder but should be good enough next to Howard but not available. And there is only one of that kind

 

That's what every team in the league wants in a PF

 

Nope, PG and SG. With the lack of PG depth and Daniels being as pure of a SG you will find, it is obvious Terry should be our back-up PG, IF he has some burn left as I previously stated.

 

That's a rare commodity lol good luck finding that type of PF. Unless you are playing NBA Live where you can create your own player.

 

We've already got a vet PG playmaker who can shoot above 35% from 3. That's not the biggest need on this team. The biggest need we have on this team is a 4 man that gives the offense space.

San Antonio shot over 50% from 2, brushed 40% from 3, and was around 78% from the FT line last year. They had a space creating 4 in Diaw. Diaw isn't a great player. But he is a very good player that can bring a little D and he's a creative offensive player with the ability to hit the 3 when called upon. He's a very serviceable rotation big man with a high offensive skill set.

I don't think it's being unreasonable to say we need that type of player on this team and it doesn't appear we have it on this roster. I was hoping that DMo would be that guy but it sure appears that his skill set is much more prominent working in the paint area as opposed to spreading the floor. Kostas could be a good player but he's not big enough to defend the Diaws and Fryes of the NBA, much less the bigger power 4's. And I'm not seeing the improvement in Terrence's game that I have been hoping for. He looks like another tweener PF to me, a talented guy that has a great handle and can make moves and get to the rim when face-guarded, but not a floor spreader at all. I haven't lost hope yet because it is just pre-season and we're not really playing the rotation pieces together yet. Probably won't see them playing together again until the last 2 games of pre-season.

But I am convinced that we have to have a good space creating 3-point shooter at the 4 if we expect to go anywhere significant this season.

 

I am not talking about Terry or Beverley.
Terry clearly has not played fulltime PG and was used as a SG throughout his career.

We need someone for the bench. I do not care that much about San Antonio. Their youth potion will wear off someday. Some day

I do not know what it is with you. You come out every preseason and declare we need another PF. We clearly missed out on Bosh.

I am confident with the guys we have for now.
PG is very important for any team that is why the Rockets mostly carry 3 PGs.

I trust Morey more than your evaluation of PFs.

Everyone wants an Allstar PF around the league but 25 teams out of 30 probably do not have him.

As opposed to you I like Terrence and I have faith in him. At least for the near future.

 

yup TJ with a solid game

 

We've got 2 guys on the bench that can knock it down and will be seeing minutes at the 1: Daniels and Canaan
We've got more than enough space creators at the 1 on this current team.

What it is with me is being objective about what we have and don't have. It's not about Bosh. He's gone. History. Kinda like Parsons. I'm over it. It's about what this team really needs at this point that we don't have. You should be wondering what it is with this team that we are still looking for the 4 man we need instead of worrying about me.

I'm not. None of them have proven they can knock down the open 3 ball and will go out to the corners and spot up to create space for our big 2.

Duh.

Me too. I suspect he's still looking for a starting 4.

Everyone wants an Allstar at every position around the league. So what.

Do you have faith that he can and will spot up at the 3-point line with confidence and knock it down when he gets the ball thrown to him?

Because that is ideally what he (or whomever is out there with Dwight and James) needs to do. They need to be a good enough shooter to grab it and fire when given daylight to cause the defense to flow out of the paint and stick on them. That is the kind of space James and Dwight need to be ultra successful.

While Terrence looks good dribbling the ball around and Black and Adrien have looked great banging and clanging around in the paint, it is pre-season. And for all the banging those guys do down there, there is a league full of banger/clanger bigs that can and will bang them back to neutral. And the premier teams in this league want nothing more than to see Terrence dribbling the ball through his legs and behind his back while they get to take a break from having to defend James and Dwight.

I have confidence in all the guys I named. I think they're all legit NBA players, most of them will continue to be successful in their careers, etc. etc. etc. But that doesn't mean they'll be the piece that helps us win a ring.

For this team to win a ring, we've got to have a 4 that will grab the ball and fire up an efficient 3-ball while James and Dwight are in the game. I'm not seeing it yet.

 

You are wrong. There is no one formula for winning a championship. The only common statistic, I believe, is that nearly all, or all, champions have been in the top 10 in defense. And most have had at least one dominant, take-over-the-game player (except the 2004 Pistons). So, the whole "in order to..." is unfortunately not completely true.

 

There is no one formula for winning a championship. BUT....depending on the makeup of the current superstars a team has there can be as few as only ONE FORMULA for those guys to win a ring.

The FORMULA for Dwight and James to win a ring REQUIRES MAXIMUM SPACING. There is NO OTHER FORMULA that will work for those 2 cats.

 

He is championship level caliber coach. Basketballholic knows exactly what it takes to win a championship. Bwhahaha we should fire Mchale and hurry up and hire Mr. HOLIC asap.

 

I have updated the free ticket giveaway thread:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=258877

 

There is the thing called 'NBA schedule'. Even if you want to hurry things or speed up the process it is all for nothing.

The team usually won't change much until December and trade deadline when major roster changes might happen.

Relax. Sit back and watch young players develop. Enjoy the ride. All I can recommend.

Winning a championship with a big market team is hard enough not to say with a regular sized or small market team

 

I'm with basketballholic on this one. We're not going anywhere with the PFs we have. The teams we need to overtake (OKC and Clips) or the teams on par with us (Por, Mem, Dal) all have the PF that would absolutely dominate us in a series (maybe not Randolph)

Not saying there is an easy solution, but Bev is a competitor and we are not screwed if he's our PG in any playoff series.
We don't have assets to get an all star PF, but we do need to upgrade come playoff time. Still think Gibson is the answer since we can use the TPE for him, then give them anyone they want besides Bev, Harden, Ariza, Howard and Kpap, on top of the NOP pick in a separate deal. They won't be able to play him on top of Noah Mirotic and gasol.

 

chicago is not giving up gibson

 

I think they might. Maybe not to us but how many minutes will he play if Mirotic turns out to be a stud. Gasol didn't sign there to play garbage minutes.

Assuming Noah averages say 34 minutes a game. That leaves 62 minutes for Gasol/Mirotic/Gibson at PF/C

 

I like T Jones and all and think he's a quality player, but basketballholic is 100% right.

 

for mirotic, this year is mostly an adjustment year for him. he won't be playing much or consistently

 

You might be right about them not trading Gibson, don't know what they plan to do, but you're wrong about Mirotic.

He didn't come over from overseas for a transition year. All the scouts said he was most nba ready. By trade deadline he'll definitely be logging consistent 20+ minutes for the bulls. Doesn't sound like much but if Pau is healthy that leaves barely anything for Gibson. I think they'd rather capitalize on his value in a trade and find a young player to fill the remaining ten minutes which probably won't exist come playoff time.

 

If Mirotic (who's a lot younger and friendlier contract than taj) and Pau are healthy and playing well, and if NOP are lottery bound, I think they might prefer the NOP pick, a young player of ours like Nick or Capella and Tjones for 12 or so minutes than keeping Gibson