Bill Maher and Sam Harris arguing with Ben Affleck about Islam

no, I'll only comment on the bogus map.

 

because it's a lie?

 

what does any of that have to do with a US map full of bogus data from unnamed secondary sources?

I just don't trust the information presented as anything based in truth, fact, or logic for that matter.

 

I can't automatically assume anything about any Muslim population and the correlation that they would belong to any Islamic terror cell.

to clarify- the part I don't buy is all those cells present in all those cities.

 

This is an organized terror cell in the US



Here is a link on the whole story...the scary part , this terror group has legal,political cover that violate the United States constitution and laws

http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?id=5837


And unlike the crap that u 'v been posting, this story is legit

 

You cherry pick from one source, quote from a source you admit you can't account for how truthful it is, and then you proceed to make logical fallacy arguments in order to push your agenda of demonizing Islam.

Now everyone is jumping on you and you accuse them of a narrative?

Dude, run away from this thread and fight another day. You have lost badly today. Next time, do some home work before you post your junk!

 

name a single redeeming feature of Islam

 

There is plenty but we can start with the charity it calls for from its practitioners.

 

Unbelievable - what a demonstration of the gross ignorance that exists in this country.

 

Religion is always set up as a redeeming set of values, love,faith hope and charity etc.
But humans on the whole only claim it and rarely live it. And political power seeking economic dominance always seems to subvert it. Christianity, Islam or any religion based on the supernatural is just a basis for social engineering given a mystical validity.They strive to develop ethical and cooperative behaviors for the benefit of the greater population; to overcome the animalistic side of human behavior with a more civilized approach with the stick of damnation and the carrot of overcoming the inevitability of death. Since neither is a real world experience it's no real wonder that they fall short.

-ok, carry on-

 

I can sort of agree with the other points but why is faith a positive quality? By detention faith is belief without evidence. How is that positive?

Anyways, Commodore is just being stupid if he thinks it's difficult to find one positive quality of Islam. I'm an apostate who is highly critical of the religion and I can find positive qualities of the religion. The same positive qualities found in Christianity are found in Islam. Both faiths have their kumbaya verses preaching about love your neighbor and all the other fluffy lovey dovy bull along with their violent verses. Both faiths offer some form of community also.

 

Faith

It can be positive. It get you in the door and if that is what change your life for the good, it's positive.

Of course it can be negative. If you are so closed minded that you wouldn't question your beliefs (I hope you at least acknowledge that it's a belief) especially in light of observable evidences, than you aren't facing reality, a quality I see many times with some people. And when you impose your views on other, you are dangerous.

People always talk about Religion in terms of Western Religions. I find Eastern religion such as Buddhism interesting. Although it's a religion and full of rituals (at least the Eastern version), it really has no faith or god component. The Western version of Buddhism is almost not a religion but more of a practical practice.

 

Take this a step further and you're onto something.

Name one morally positive action that can only be accomplished through religion.

This is known as Hitchen's Challenge.