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Sources: Morey keeping close eyes to extension eligible deals that may go bad

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cyberx, Sep 23, 2014.

  1. basketballholic

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    right
     
  2. WinkFan

    WinkFan Member

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    Kevin Garnett couldn't win in Minnesota because he had no help.
    Kevin Love couldn't win in Minnesota because he had no help.
    Ricky Rubio... is no help.
     
  3. Aleron

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    We're not saying Rubio is at fault for their losing, we're saying he doesn't really contribute to winning like most average players.
     
  4. King901

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    Your fallacies align. I learned something in my philosophy class about a week ago.
     
  5. basketballholic

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    Same thing was said about Harden.
     
  6. Crashlanded19

    Crashlanded19 Member

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    Why do you guys continue to talk about a scrub that's not even on this team?.smh
     
  7. basketballholic

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    Kevin Garnett played with Sprewell and Marbury. He had way more help than Love or Rubio had.
     
  8. Aleron

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    No it wasn't, sure;y you remember the blame he copped for those finals, and well, Bill Simmons Harden trade article 1 through 7 million
     
  9. Mr Chuck Norris

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    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/yyYgNnwKZVs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    By who?? ... Carl H?

    Sure Harden didn't contribute to winning and Durant would never win anything with him as his teammate. Go ask Spurs fans if Harden contributes to winning.

    Of all the bat sh&$ crazy stuff you say, Comparing Rubio to Harden might take the cake, but then you have to balls to say he didn't at the time and might still but contribute to winning.
     
  11. basketballholic

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    Good question.

    1. Because I've seen him play a lot over the last 6 years. I know what he brings to the table to a team/organization that has the pieces to win. I've played and watched this game for about 37 years going all the way back to Dave Cowens and Kareem before Bird and Magic showed up. I think I know a thing or two about skills, talent, and desire.

    2. Because of the players that are possibly available right now he makes the most sense.

    ***The point guard position makes the most sense positionally.***
    The superstar piece that makes the most sense to add to this team this summer was Chris Bosh. We didn't get him and now he is gone. Kevin Love was next. Kevin Love is no longer available. LaMarcus Aldridge is not currently available. There are no superstar power forwards that have the range to shoot the 3-ball available. We don't need a superstar SG. We don't need a superstar center. And we don't need, nor is there available on the free agent market or through trade any superstar small forwards.

    But there is a plethora of point guard talent in the league and some of those guys are available or are going to be available for trades/free agency.

    ***Rubio makes the most sense contractually.***
    When you look at the guys possibly available such as Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Ricky Rubio, etc. Rubio makes the most sense. Because if he is acquired his cap hold will be small enough to allow us to possibly still attract Aldridge in 2015 free agency. Or him playing on the qualifying offer or possibly a short term deal in 2015 could put us in position to go after Durant in 2016. In other words, his contract situation somewhat fits what we need to do....which is to say develop a Big 4. Not a Big 3. But a Big 4. It will take a Big 4 to run down the rest of the West and Lebron.

    ***Rubio makes the most sense on the floor with the other pieces of this team***
    We do not have trouble scoring the ball. We don't need another scorer. We need 3 things: A power forward that can spread the floor and shoot the 3 to provide spacing; more perimeter defense surrounding Harden (we were at the bottom of the league in defensive turnovers last season); and another playmaker to replace the playmaking we lost with Parsons and Lin and decrease our turnovers and help us get EASIER scoring opportunities for James and Dwight so they don't break down as quickly.

    We'll get a shooting PF. Whether it is Ilyasova(most likely) or Bass (possible) or Bargnani (maybe) or Arthur (possibly) or DMo gets better or maybe even Josh Powell (yes, he has a good chance of making the final roster) who is a proven shooter. But none of those guys are potential superstars at this point. (DMo has a slim chance to become a star level player if he breaks out this year.)

    Rubio gives us all the things we need on the perimeter: A playmaker that gets us easy buckets by creating them and not shooting a whole lot while leading the league in steals and playing stellar D alongside Harden and Bev. The monster defensive 4 to play alongside Dwight hasn't materialized yet. Simply means we gotta nail down the perimeter defensively.


    Rubio fits. He makes sense both on the floor, in the locker room, and in our salary cap structure right now. There is no better fit of the players that are possibly available.

    The next question logically is, "What if we trade for him and then a better fit comes along?" The answer is because of Rubio's contract situation he won't prevent us acquiring another superstar player through trade or free agency provided we don't give up the whole farm for him. And that's the rub in a Rubio trade. How much do you give up for him?


    EDIT: By the way...almost everything I've said her applies to Rondo well. The problem is Rondo is going to command a much higher salary than Rubio in free agency because of his vet status and Rondo does not have the friendly disposition that Rubio has to maintain the locker room decorum and work with Harden and Howard. Rondo is a much bigger risk of a trade to make for these reasons.
     
  12. kemah

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    lol

    You were overselling Rubio last week. Now you are harming your cause.
     
  13. Teen Wolf

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    Right:rolleyes:

    Go flip a coin 50 times
     
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    No doubt. He's a top 10 defender at his position, but when you throw passing/vision it adds another dimension. Where do you think he ranks as a pure passer?

    If we got Rubio, it would definitely be a risk as at his best so far he is an average shooter with little range and average finisher but I believe a change a scenary, especially a city with a large spanish speaking population would do him good.
     
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    And Kidd's Mavs exodus had something to do with a certain teammate and a certain singer.
     
  16. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    About directly inverse of where he is as a shooter.

    In what universe is the worst shooter in the NBA considered average. Average for what? High school basketball?
     
  17. topfive

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    D'OH! You forgot to put "LOL" or "ROFLMA" after the above sentence. :eek:
     
  18. J Sizzle

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    basketballholic against the world!
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    In a universe where you are looking at his career, not just one season. Try again without the hyperbole of the "worst shooter in the NBA".
     
  20. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    WTF are you talking about? His NBA low shooting percentage of 38 percent was a career high for him. His career average is 36.8 percent. He is one of the worst shooters that has ever stepped on an NBA court, especially for a wing player.
     

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