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  1. Major

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    Christianity led to the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. Does this mean it cannot be a religion of peace since a religion of people would not cause that many people to commit such terrible acts? Are peaceful Christians not following true Christianity?
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Boring. Spanish inquisition, crusades, blablablabla. That tired old crap doesn't impress anyone anymore. Broken record.
     
  3. Dairy Ashford

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    Well, a bunch of Protestants lynched and firebombed blacks, Catholics and Jews in the Southern United States for 100 years; and a bunch of Catholics and Lutherans tried to kill all the Jews in Europe in our great-grandparents' lifetimes. If you're actually trying to impugn an entire religion with a billion adherents, then of course stuff like this is relevant, and it's why a lot your arguments are with non-Muslims.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    All three middle eastern religions are bathed in violent beginnings. It's just that Islam isn't following the trope of humanistic secularism that celebrates the allegory over the literal.

    I'd say that's the fault of geopolitics and the stagnation of several national cultures that practice Islam. Though the US as a world hegemon bears some responsibility in that.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    I live now.

    Any finger-pointing by leftists and Muslims to whatever followers of other religions might have done in the past (conveniently leaving out that Islam was NEVER peaceful in all of its history, the crusades weren't a one-sided affair either) merely serves to relativize the fact that Islam right now proves to be the biggest threat to peace in the world.

    If Christians were beheading people all over the world in the name of their religion now, sure, I would be just as disgusted. But they are not. Muslims are doing it. And they think they are following their "prophet" in doing so.

    By bringing up crusades, which people like Major, etc. have been doing here for years, all you do is deflect responsibility for what is happening now. It's, of course, disingenuous.

    When the Nazis were murdering people and committing genocide like Muslims are doing in Iraq and Syria now - in the name of their religion, their God, their "prophet" - would Major have said "yeah, but [insert name of state or ideology that had killed people before the Nazis] also killed people"? Would he have said it? If so, what ******* difference does it make? So, other people did bad stuff, too. So what? That doesn't change anything about the fact that you need to deal with the fascists who are murdering people at a given point in time and you need to scrutinize and eradicate their ideology as well.

    Nazi-fascism had to be forcefully eradicated.

    Islamo-fascism needs to be eradicated now.
     
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    Yet another reason not to live in Oklahoma.
     
  7. bigtexxx

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    Excellent post. You just put Major in his place forcefully and decisively.

    I'm glad somebody finally called out this ridiculous logic.
     
  8. sugrlndkid

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    Butchering humans the way they kill their livestock...is sick, disturbing and inhumane. The irony, is that they treat the livestock with more dignity/reverence than the humans they kill...
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    In other news, Islamists in Afghanistan just beheaded 15 women and children.

    Of course, Islam had nothing to do with all of this. "Socio-economic problems, crusades, Spanish inquisition, abortion doctor killings" BLABLABLABLABLABLA. When will the last people wake up and realize that they have been wrong about Islam all along.

    ISIS-Allied Militants Behead 15 During Afghanistan Offensive: Official

    KABUL, Afghanistan — Militants aligned with ISIS launched a brutal offensive in Afghanistan alongside Taliban fighters that has left more than 100 people dead, local officials said Friday. Insurgents carrying the black flag of ISIS captured several villages in Ghazni province, according to Deputy Governor Ali Ahmad Ahmadi and Deputy Police Chief Gen. Asadullah Ensafi. Fifteen family members of local police officers were beheaded and at least 60 homes were set ablaze, Ahmadi said.

    Ensafi later told NBC News that five Afghan helicopters had managed to drop Afghan special forces personnel to reinforce units already defending the area. He said the immediate threat to district's center had been nullified. Members of the Taliban from different regions of the country were involved in the offensive, officials said. According to Ahmadi, the drive was being led by masked men wearing camouflage who carried the black flag of the ISIS and openly called themselves soldiers of "Daesh" — another name for ISIS. The officials said those militants did not speak any local languages. Reinforcements from the Afghan national army and provincial police had been stopped from reaching the area by Taliban ambushes.

    Dr. Gareth Price, an Afghanistan expert at London's Chatham House think tank, said it was possible that one section of the Taliban has decided to re-brand and copy the tactics of ISIS. "Given the factionalizing that seems to be happening in the Pakistani Taliban, it's not surprising that a group has decided to show allegiance to the Islamic State," he added.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...during-afghanistan-offensive-official-n212166
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    http://townhall.com/columnists/john...-religion-of-decapitations-n1897416/page/full

    Islam Is A Religion of Peace AND a Religion of DECAPITATIONS

    Yesterday at Vaughan Foods a former employee decapitated one person and was stabbing another before he was shot by the company C.O.O. who may have stopped a massacre. The very last line of the article reads, "The FBI is 'probing whether (the killer's) recent conversion to Islam had anything to do with the attack.'"

    The first reaction most people probably secretly have to that is, "Of course it did! Muslims and beheading go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly, don't they?" Incidentally, that was also probably their second reaction, because beheadings are just something that seem to happen with surprising frequency in areas teeming with Muslims. Violence and terrorism also go hand-in-hand with Islam and if you can't figure that out from watching the news, you could learn it from reading a history book.

    Moreover today, there are Muslims all over the world committing acts of terrorism along with raping, murdering, and enslaving their fellow human beings specifically for religious reasons. These aren't bad people doing bad things who happen to be Muslims; these are bad people doing bad things BECAUSE they are Muslims. Just ask them; they'll tell you.

    Every religion has people who do repellent things in the name of God, but there are big differences in the degree of their offenses, their numbers, and how they're treated. Just to give you a couple of examples, the Westboro Baptist Church claims to be picketing funerals in the name of God. There have also been a handful of people who have killed abortion doctors because of their Christian beliefs. Is this the equivalent to what's going on with Islam? No, not even close. For one thing, these loons don't even represent 10,000th of a percent of Christians and for another, they're almost universally, harshly, publicly condemned by other Christians.

    On the other hand, a significant number of Muslims support Sharia Law, forced conversions, slavery, rape, terrorism and religiously-inspired violence and murder. When pollsters haven't been too cowed by political correctness to ask, these backward attitudes have been borne out in poll numbers again and again. Just to give you one example, here are some numbers from the 2013 Pew Poll of the Muslim world.

    * A majority of Muslims in several countries also support the death penalty for Muslims who convert away from Islam, including in Afghanistan (79 percent), Egypt (88 percent), Pakistan (75 percent), the Palestinian territories (62 percent), Jordan (83 percent) and Malaysia (58 percent).

    * In contrast, in every other Arab country surveyed — Iraq, the Palestinian territories, Morocco, Egypt, Jordan and Tunisia — a majority of Muslims indicated they supported Shariah. Muslim majorities in these Arab countries, with the exception of Tunisia, also indicated they either supported stoning adulterers or killing apostates, or both.

    * Forty percent of Muslims in the Palestinian territories and 39 percent of Muslims in Afghanistan said attacking civilian targets to defend Islam is often or sometimes justified. Further, 18 percent of Muslims in Afghanistan and the Palestinian territories said such actions are “often” justified.

    * When a female commits the “offense” of pre-marital or extramarital sex, only 34 percent of Muslims in Jordan, 22 percent of Muslims in Iraq, 31 percent of Muslims in Egypt, 44 percent of Muslims in the Palestinian territories, 45 percent of Muslims in Lebanon and 24 percent of Muslims in Afghanistan said they think the girl’s family is ever justified to kill her to protect the family’s honor.

    But, you may say, “Well, those are Muslims OVER THERE. Certainly, Muslims in Western countries wouldn’t hold those kind of radical beliefs.”

    Don’t bet on that.

    * A new, widely-covered poll shows that a full 16% of French people have positive attitudes toward ISIS. That includes 27% of French between the ages of 18-24

    * In 2006, a poll for the Sunday Telegraph found that 40% of British Muslims wanted shariah law in the United Kingdom, and that 20% backed the 7/7 bombers.

    * 19 percent of American Muslims as of 2011 said they were either favorable toward Al Qaeda or didn’t know.

    Wherever there are Muslims in large numbers, there are usually going to be a significant number of them who believe Islam requires them to be violent, backward savages. Some of them may act on it while others just provide moral support, but they’re definitely going to be present. That’s not a statement of opinion; it’s a statement of fact backed up by history, experience, and poll numbers.

    This is why people laugh when politicians like Barack Obama and, yes, Republicans like George W. Bush, call Islam a “religion of peace. “

    That being said, many Muslims don’t believe Islam requires them to be violent, mistreat women, hate Christians or generally behave like one of Genghis Khan's horde – and it’s a huge mistake to forget that. It’s an even worse mistake for Westerners to tell Muslims that if they understood their own religion, they’d want to murder us, which is something some misguided people have been doing over the last few years.

    Most Muslims here in the United States, across the Western world and even in more moderate Islamic countries don’t support ISIS or Al-Qaeda. They don’t want Sharia law. They’re not okay with honor killings, rape, slavery, burkas, female circumcision, forced conversion or beheadings.

    It’s wrong to write those people off as enemies or worse yet, to lump them in as part of Team ISIS or Team Al-Qaeda.

    If anything, we need to encourage genuinely moderate Muslims and understand the difficulties they have to face. The ISIS-sympathizing fanatic who thinks he should be able to rape Christian women and who forces his wife to wear a burka isn’t “somewhere out there” to them; he’s sitting in the back row of their mosque on Sunday. Their wives say “Hello” in the grocery store. Their children see his weird, troublemaking kids on the playground. Isn’t life hard enough already without having to worry that potentially dangerous Muhammad McMurder views them as a cancer, undermining the coming worldwide Islamic Caliphate from within? That’s a strong incentive to stay quiet.

    So, when these Muslims do speak up, we need to encourage them.

    Personally, I’m glad to hear that Muslims against ISIS’ gathered in Michigan to pray for James Foley. Good for the Muslim leaders In Alabama who defied stereotypes with a strong message to ISIS over the murder of Steven Sotloff. I applaud the Muslims in Britain who started a #notinmyname campaign against ISIS.

    It’s a mistake to believe that Muslims are all bad people. In fact, most of them, particularly in the United States, are decent, patriotic citizens chasing the American dream just like everyone else. When decent people act like you’d want and expect decent people to behave, you can’t just always write it off as Taqiya and assume that it’s a trick.

    Ironically, that’s also part of the reason why we shouldn’t keep making the mistake of referring to Islam as a “religion of peace.”

    When we blanket over the fact that there are significant differences of opinion within Islam, it keeps us from being specific enough about the problem. If you’re for ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Sharia, terrorism, genocide against Israel, murder, honor killings, forced conversions, violence against apostates or rape, you’re not for “peace,” you’re not a “good guy,” and you’re certainly not a “moderate.” We can’t empower real “moderates” in Islam if we’re not willing to draw a line in the sand about what’s acceptable behavior and what isn’t.

    We also can’t empower real “moderates” if we make people cynical about their very existence by calling Islam a “religion of peace” despite the fact that we all know that there are hundreds of millions of radical Islamists across the world who believe in spreading their primitive version of Islam by force. Mindlessly repeating the phrase, “Islam is a religion of peace,” isn’t going to make it so. If Islam is ever going to effectively deal with radical jihadists from within, we’ve got to do our part by doing a better job of helping the moderates and ostracizing the radicals rather than painting them all with a one-size-fits-all brush.


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    I think this is a very good article.

    I agree with him that it would (obviously) be a mistake to think all Muslims are bad people. And I have stated it here many times, I have no problems at all with "moderate" Muslims - which basically, to me, means Muslims who do not want Sharia law (stonings, fewer rights for women, chopped off hands for thieves, death penalty for homosexuality and for leaving Islam, forcing women into mobile jails like burkhas or veils, etc.) to become the law of the land in Western countries, people who respect the separation of church and state, people who do not look at people who do not believe in Islam as lesser people, people who do not hate Israel and Jews, just because the brainwashing Muslim propaganda tells them to do so.

    What I have a problem with is an ideology that promotes the above-mentioned things, and people who believe in such things.

    Sadly, there are way too many Muslims who actually do believe these things - the opinion polls are not lying.

    In fact, if I were a "moderate" Muslim, I would seriously consider no longer being a Muslim, just to not be associated with scum like that - and what if the people who believe in Sharia law as described above are right? That you cannot be a "real" Muslim without believing in that kind of stuff? If they are right, then it means that Islam is just not the right ideology/religion to follow.
     
  11. Deji McGever

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    One thing is clear: we should be profiling people who post in ALLCAPS.
     
  12. downbytheriver

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    Beginnings are just that - beginnings. Evolution and progress are is a part of life. Christianity has adapted. Judaism is adapting. Islam continues to foster hate and resentment in the name of Allah. They just cannot Co exist with modern times and even the non extremists seem to be in complete denial of helping out those stricken by poverty ..tarnishing the reputation of their ideology. The onus is on them!!
     
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    Um ok... don't know many people who would disagree with that.

    The question is... HOW. Focus on explaining that.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    Nazis didn't last long to attempt to legitimize it's ideology to the world. It wasn't like a small minority was giving the Nazis a bad name. The extreme ends with a political faction are being addressed either economically or militarily.

    I wouldn't say it's an equal comparison...

    I'm of the belief the world likes the middle east as it is, fractured, cannibalistic, stagnant, and fear driven. Oil is a narcotic to them and the basis for legitimizing themselves to a captive people and reason for other governments to prop up or approve their sovereign status. They are the United States biggest allies in the region. A war is completely out of the question because of that instead of moral or philosophical reasons...

    I'll have to leave hope to reason that second and third generation immigrants to the US are less ignorant and illiterate as some European pundits are claiming of their Muslim neighbors.

    I'll have to change my views if assimilation isn't possible.
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

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    Most Muslims would disagree. The key problem is that these guys are not just some lunatic fringe idiots (well, yes, they are), but that a MAJORITY of Muslims, at least in the Middle East and South Asia, and still a huge number of Muslims elsewhere in the world, completely agrees with their goal of instituting a strict Sharia rule - they might find the IS methods distasteful, but ideologically, they want the same - that's the problem!

    I don't know. I don't think the problem will be solved peacefully during my lifetime.

    Sadly, I think the so-called "moderate" Muslims will only wake up and turn against the many, many among their ranks who want Sharia law, and be it by force, when something truly terrible will happen. And something truly terrible will happen, sooner or later. Something like Islamist crazies getting their hands on nuclear weapons. They are not far from them already - in Pakistan. Or an attack on a nuclear plant in the West. Maybe once something like that happens, people will start realizing that no God or Allah or whatever wants or justifies such crimes - and that the ideology they follow is a crazy death cult.

    Apparently the fact that IS is committing genocide, enslaving people, beheading people, raping people, murdering people - all in the name of Islam, Allah, Mohammed - doesn't bother Muslims around the world enough yet to simply turn their back to this hateful ideology. Politically correct condemnations by Muslim leaders aside - it was obvious that emotionally, Muslims around the world, so-called "moderate" Muslims included, were a lot more enraged by the Israel-Palestine conflict - because Muslims love to see themselves as victims, not as perpetrators. When something like IS, Taliban, Boko Haram happens in the name of Islam, the so-called "moderate" Muslims take the easy way out: "People who do this aren't Muslims. IS must be a Jewish/Israeli/US conspiracy."
     
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    Check out the facebook page of the guy who decapitated his co-worker. Have a look at his friend list. A lot of them live in the USA.

    This is one guy from the murderer's friend list:

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004338406327&fref=browse_search

    Lives in Houston/Texas. I bet you anything he knows some of the posters on here.

    And one of the pages this guy likes is:

    https://www.facebook.com/zakirnaik?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakir_Naik#Terrorism

    The guy has almost 6 million likes on Facebook. If you don't think that a lot of those come from within the USA...well...

    Here is another guy from the murderer's friend list who lives in Houston, and who also "likes" several hate preachers like the one above and "Bilal Philips", who also has about 2 million likes on Facebook:

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008323638628&fref=browse_search

    That guy also likes the "Islamic Dawah Center" in Houston. That is the same place that was proven to have funded terrorist organizations - from Houston.

    Trust me, you already have plenty of "sleepers" within the USA. It's only a matter of time until something terrible happens again. In the name of Islam.
     
    #76 AroundTheWorld, Sep 27, 2014
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    Take cover guys, ATW is about to climax.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    Despite being a real try-hard, that's all you have to offer...pitiful.
     
  19. krnxsnoopy

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    Would rep, but need to spread around some more.
     
  20. Exiled

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    I think he has Israeli's mentality, he think he is above the law and wished if he killed a child instead
     

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