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Worst Congress of our lifetime?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by GageD, Sep 9, 2014.

  1. houactuar

    houactuar Member

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    I agree. The way Harry Reid runs the Senate is unconscionable. The way they shoved unpopular legislation down our throats with no debate and no transparency was shameful. Drafted behind closed doors, they had to pass it before they could find out what was in it. And passed in most unpleasant fashion based on lies in fact. If you like your insurance you can keep it. Oops. If you like your doctor you can keep them. Oops. The cost of coverage for a family of four will go down. Oops. The exchanges will be implemented on time and smoothly. Oops. The irs has not targeted groups for political reasons. Oops. We will turn over the emails. Oops, we lost them. The corruption of Reid and this administration is certainly the worst ever. Yes, we agree.
     
  2. houactuar

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    NASA is a shell of what it used to be. Obama shuts down and lays off nasa scientists. Meanwhile, the food stamp spending is through the roof. Thanks Obama. Participation in the labor force is the lowest in 100 years. That is progress and change we can believe in, am I right?
     
  3. mc mark

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    Sadly you seem to be just another Foxbot with no sense of context or reality. I won't waste my time anymore. Good luck to you houactuar.
     
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  4. downbytheriver

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    This is petty. I'm above twisting every point so it suits my political agenda. I prefer problem solving to plain ol BICKERING. I'm divorced and remarried because I don't need the NOISE in my life to feel alive. I don't wholeheartedly align with everything the GOP does. Conservative fiscal spending and programs that actually put an end to the loopholes constantly exploited by the poor but entitled would be a start. The budget is best summed up by Paul Ryan:

    Obamacare and the welfare system needs to be seriously overhauled. The abuse and exploitation of it is beyond words.

    I do, however, agree defense spending needs to be cut and corporate arrogance curtailed. How can this be done... a new and more rigorous regulatory agency. Stronger policies that distribute more wealth instead of circulate it amongst the have's. But then again, corporations are where the $$$ is and $ run this nation and it's policies. Don't think much can be done when incentive is a huge factor in a capitalist nation.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    So to recap, the "best summation of the budget" is cutting an unspecified $7 billion over time (out of about $4 trillion annually overall) from the department of commerce plus gratuoitous Solyndra reference (surprised benghazi didn't make it in?)

    I agree that that about sums up the GOP's disconnect with reality on fiscal issues.
     
  6. downbytheriver

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    Read the entire article--it will do you a world of good.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/opinion/ryan-republican-budget/

    A quick reality check for the critics and big spenders in Washington: On the current path, the federal government will spend roughly $48 trillion over the next 10 years. By contrast, this budget will spend nearly $43 trillion. On the current path, spending will grow, on average, by 5.2% a year. Under our budget, spending will grow, on average, by 3.5% a year. Nearly $43 trillion is enough. Increasing spending by 3.5% instead of 5.2% is hardly draconian.


    Responsible spending restraint is just one part of our plan. We also call for pro-growth tax reform and greater energy production. We repeal Obamacare and clear the way for patient-centered reforms. We protect and strengthen Medicare. We repair the safety net so it's there for those who need it, and we give states the flexibility they need to help people move up the ladder of life.
     
  7. mc mark

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    How will they do all of this?
     
  8. CometsWin

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    Magic.
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    I didn't "twist" a thing. I answered the poster's attempts at making a point.

    No you don't, you prefer plain old obstruction, or it would appear given your posts here.

    I'm sorry you find political discussion "NOISE." Given your posting history though, it looks like the only discussion you find noisy are valid facts that just don't fit the GOP narrative. You're welcome to ignore the facts, but doing so doesn't make them any less factual.

    I love the lead-in, especially since it leads in to the gold quoted next...

    The fact that you want anyone to take you seriously when you rail about the "loopholes constantly exploited by the poor," then have the balls to refer to the poor as "entitled" clearly illustrates the depth of your delusion. Corporations and the wealthy get DRASTICALLY larger sums in government largess than the poor could ever aspire to.

    Bullsh!t. When Ryan wrote this budget proposal, he hadn't seen the numbers if he thinks it should be repealed. To be fair, the most compelling numbers regarding the ACA have only come to light in the last few months, as the bulk of the program has begun implementation. By all accounts (I trust the CBO most when it comes to this stuff, their analysis is compelling on this subject), the ACA has been a moderate, but decided success.

    In case you hadn't noticed, welfare reform was enacted in 1996 and there isn't evidence of widespread welfare fraud.

    https://getoutofdebt.org/47479/welfare-and-benefit-fraud-statistics-show-a-disturbing-pattern

    Nice that you claims to support this, but more regulatory authority and power is exactly what the GOP has been fighting against, tooth and nail.

    Nice lip service, but just above, you called the poor "entitled" and seem to think that what little support we give to the less fortunate is fraud-ridden, despite the distinct lack of evidence showing widespread fraud. Your lip service on the topic of inequality certainly sounds good, but the voting record of Republican members of Congress shows disdain for the less fortunate that belies these words

    Yes, mostly because they can spend loads of cash convincing people that welfare fraud is rampant and that tax cuts increase revenues, even when these are both lies of the highest order.

    Yes, much can be done by government. There is plenty of evidence supporting this fact, but you continue to simply ignore this evidence, to our nation's detriment.
     
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    You claimed that I cited a "Gore PowerPoint" refuting your claim that mean temperatures have gone down. I point out that the source is NASA, so instead of actually looking at the evidence, you impugn NASA and blame Obama for its perceived shortcomings.

    The delusion is strong with this one.

    Actually, it has leveled off and is expected to continue dropping for the foreseeable future.

    http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43175

    Obama didn't even participate in writing the laws regarding SNAP, they have been in place a LONG time. Increased participation was driven almost entirely by the recession which began in 2007 and has begun to decline as the economy has improved.

    What happened in, say, the mid 1940s that might be the single largest explanatory factor in the declining participation rate? Care to dazzle us with your knowledge of history or labor policy?

    Some is, but the lack of progress is due in large part to GOP obstructionism. We would have gotten a lot more done had they joined the adults at the negotiating table to make a positive contribution instead of yelling "NO" to everything proposed, no matter how reasonable.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    So?

    What is this supposed to tell me?

    Even if we assume the representative from Wisconsin is correct, all he is telling me is that very modest amounts of spending growth is scheduled to occur (without any reference to inflation or demographics or growth).

    Why is this supposed to be illuminating?

    Somebody should tell the representative from Wisconsin that growth is not bad.

    Seriously - if you want to be able to discuss this, you should at least provide some context to your discussion, something that the representative from Wisconsin doesn't do. Just saying the word "Trillion" over and over is dumb. It's a big world.
     
  12. houactuar

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    NASA shows some warming, but it does attribute any factor as a cause. I merely presume that you rely on emotion and fear mongering a la gore power point arguments or ipcc in order to attribute to man made co2 emissions.

    As for food stamps and other welfare, obama's health care regulations, energy regulations, increases in taxes, economic policies that continue to push capital and jobs overseas.... His domestic policy has caused the economy to stagnate rather than recover from the 2007 recession. This also has caused people to drop out of the labor force which is why labor participation has fallen, young people can't find jobs and the unemployed essentially give up and drop out of labor force.
     
  13. g1184

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    Run-on sentences, lack of punctuation, missing capitalization, excessive capitalization, no data to back up claims ... you'll fit right in.
     
  14. Buck Turgidson

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    The worst congress of my lifetime was in 2003 and involved a bottle of tequila and a not so svelte persian lady.
     
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  15. Dairy Ashford

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    No need to disrupt the intercourse.
     
  16. houactuar

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    Grammar police ignoring substance over form and adding nothing to the debate....

    Internet forum <> english class
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    Oh great another poster who doesn't believe in science.
     
  18. houactuar

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    Science? Sure. Propaganda dressed up as pseudoscience? No.
     
  19. g1184

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    Ain't that the truth. In english class they'd teach you to put together a coherent argument.
     
  20. houactuar

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    Well maybe you could practice what you preach. I don't see a coherent argument in your post. Simply insults about capitalization, run on sentences and punctuation. ee cummings is a fairly well regarded poet but perhaps not in your circle of friends as his poetry may contain sentence fragments, lack of punctuation and faulty capitalization.

    Frankly, it would appear my arguments escape criticism from you as you instead focus on meaningless grammar issues. I sincerely apologize that my post was not up to your grammar standards. I had no idea that my late night temporal post should be submitted to editorial standards and review. LOL
     

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