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Possible US Airstrikes on ISIS in Iraq

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Aug 7, 2014.

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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    She may not have known it was a terrorist organization. In April there wasn't a whole lot of talk about ISIS. It's believable that she thought she was joining something very different.

    While ignorance doesn't excuse on from the law, it should be taken into account what her motives actually were in serving as a nurse at the camp.
     
  2. NotInMyHouse

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    Unlikely. Her motives sound less than pure.

     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Well than she deserves all the prison time she gets.
     
  4. PhatPharaoh

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    In the video linked in the article, she clearly stated that she was determined to commit to Jihad against the US. She should be tried for treason as well IMO...
     
  5. basso

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    geography is the most important subject. w/o it, you can't understand history, politics, economics...or war.
     
  6. Deji McGever

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    I think I'm the only one agreeing with you.
     
  7. basso

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    Indeed.
     
  8. basso

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    this is all rather extraordinary.

    [rquoter]If his thinking has evolved, Mr. Obama admitted no errors along the way. While some critics, and even his former secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, have faulted him for not arming moderate Syrian rebels years ago, Mr. Obama does not accept the premise that doing so would have forestalled the rise of ISIS.

    “I have thought that through and tried to apply 20-20 hindsight,” he told some of his guests, as one recalled. “I’m perfectly willing to admit they were right, but even if they were right, I still can’t see how that would have changed the situation.”

    He defended his decision to wait to approve airstrikes until last month in Iraq and last week in Syria, saying he wanted first to force Iraq to replace its government with a more inclusive coalition that could draw disaffected Sunnis away from supporting ISIS and take on the task of combating it.

    But while Mr. Obama sees bolstering the new Iraqi government as his path to ultimate success on that side of the border, he struck his guests as less certain about the endgame on the Syrian side, where he has called for Mr. Assad to step down and must now rely on the same moderate Syrian rebels he refused to arm in the past.

    Mr. Obama acknowledged it would be a long campaign, one complicated by a dearth of intelligence about possible targets on the Syrian side of the border and one that may not be immediately satisfying. “This isn’t going to be fireworks over Baghdad,” he said.

    Asked by one of the columnists what he would do if his strategy did not work and he had to escalate further, Mr. Obama rejected the premise. “I’m not going to anticipate failure at this point,” he said.[/rquoter]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/world/middleeast/paths-to-war-then-and-now-haunt-obama.html?_r=0
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    I think arming the so-called "moderate" rebels would not have made a difference. People need to realize the thing about the connecting tissue that Bill Maher pointed at. There is a common underlying ideology. You should not arm people who hold that ideology.
     
  10. Cohete Rojo

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    The US did arm many Sunnis, known as the brotherhood of Iraq or something along that line. The situation in Iraq looks similar to what it was in 2006-2007 when US troops were in Iraq.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Cooperation between the Kurds, Shi'ite militia and Iran to fight IS.

    http://news.msn.com/world/iranians-play-role-in-breaking-is-siege-of-iraqi-town

    Iranians play role in breaking IS siege of Iraqi town

    AMERLI Iraq (Reuters) - Kurdish peshmerga fighters and Shi'ite militiamen paraded through Amerli on Monday, a day after breaking the two-month siege of the northern town by Sunni Islamist militants.

    The scenes in Amerli and the surrounding area of Suleiman Beg offered a window into the teamwork among Kurdish fighters, the Iraqi army and Shi'ite militias and into Iran's role in directly assisting their campaign against Islamic State (IS) forces.

    An Iranian adviser to Iraqi police was spotted on the road near Amerli and Kurdish officers spoke of Iranians advising Iraqi fighters on targeting the Islamists.

    The swift end to the Islamic State's encirclement of the Shi'ite Turkmen town of 15,000 came on Sunday amid a push by Kurdish peshmerga, Shi'ite militias and Iraqi troops, after U.S. air strikes late Saturday hit IS positions.

    Shi'ite militias, who battled U.S. troops during their occupation of Iraq, played a song in Amerli on Monday that taunted the extremist Islamic State with the line: "The Americans couldn't beat us and you think you can?"

    The town was filled with Kurdish peshmerga and fighters from the largest Shi'ite militias - the Badr Organization, Asaib Ahl al-Haq, Kata'ib Hezbollah and cleric Muqtada Sadr's followers.

    Militia fighters spoke of a new alliance with the Kurds, who had been shaken by the Islamic State's offensive on Kurdish-controlled territories last month. They were then helped by U.S. air strikes that forced IS to retreat.

    "I’m totally confident that the failure of the peshmerga to stop the Islamic State's advance towards areas around Arbil forced the Kurds to review their wrong policy of refusing to cooperate with us," said a fighter from Asaib Ahl al-Haq.

    "Without our help, it will be difficult for them to stop Islamic State fighters alone.”

    Militia and Kurdish fighters on Monday entered the nearby community of Suleiman Beg, an Islamic State stronghold since earlier this year.

    Peshmerga planted their flag on top of a building and Asaib Ahl Haq fighters chanted "Ya Hussein", the name of a revered Shi'ite religious figure. The militia men skirted around the buildings and lobbed dynamite into houses to clear them of any explosives left by the Islamic State.

    "The peshmerga just came now and raised their flag. We have been here (in the area) for eight days," said one Asaib Ahl al-Haq fighter.

    IRANIAN INFLUENCE

    The influence of Iran was evident in Suleiman Beg. With Asaib Ahl al-Haq, which is funded by Iran and recognizes Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei as its spiritual guide, were two men who spoke Farsi and dressed in beige uniforms different from their colleagues' green camouflage.

    Asked if he was Iranian, one of the Farsi speakers said: "We are liberating Suleiman Beg."

    Asked if the Iraqis' could have made their recent gains without Iranian support, he answered: "No."

    By a convoy of armored police vehicles, a man speaking Farsi described himself as coming from Iran and said he was there to help with training police.

    A peshmerga commander in Suleiman Beg acknowledged the part played by Iranians in the assault on Islamic State positions. "The Iranians had a role in this. They supplied weapons and helped with the military planning," he said on condition of anonymity.

    "They trained the Shi'ite forces. There are Iranians here in another base: three or four of them. They are guiding the peshmerga in firing heavy artillery. They don't speak Kurdish - they have a translator."

    On Saturday, a senior member of the Kurdish party, the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, told Reuters the Iraqi military, Kurds and Iranian advisers had joint operation centers.

    Speaking in Khanaqin in Diyala province, PUK member Mala Bakhtiar said the Iranians did not participate in actual fighting but provided expertise.

    "There is logistical help and cooperation," Bakhtiar said. "If there is a need, we meet with them and discuss the issues."

    The defeat of the IS in Amerli and Suleiman Beg was a major victory for the Iraqi government, security forces and militias after weeks of setbacks.

    Shi'ite militia fighters were firing automatic weapons in the air in celebration on a road to Amerli.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, due to step down this month when a new government is formed, flew to Amerli and saluted the military and the militia fighters, whom he called Mujahideen (holy warriors).

    “Our enemy is retreating and our security forces backed by volunteers are advancing to purge further towns,” Maliki told a cheering crowd.

    Ordinary people in Amerli rejoiced at their escape from IS. "We were steadfast until the end," said 66-year-old resident Amin Samin Mohammed. "We never intended to leave."
     
  12. A_3PO

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    I'm with you.
     
  13. Cohete Rojo

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    Well . . .. I wanted to know the exact crime

    I was thinking it was Treason [punishable by death right]
    Hell the KKK is a terrorist organization but no one is arrested for joining them

    This would be Spying . . .which would be TREASON

    Be interesting to see what her punishment will be

    Rocket River
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    Young white girl, so unlikely she is put on trial for treason and instead pleads down on something lesser based on cooperation with the Feds. She should share a cell block with Chelsea Manning at minimum.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    I don't think this deserves it's own thread but thought it was interesting enough to post here.
    http://www.stripes.com/news/female-...-the-islamic-state-s-worst-nightmare-1.300259

    Female fighters of the PKK may be the Islamic State's worst nightmare

    MAKHMUR, Iraq — It’s an Islamic State fighter’s worst fear: to be killed by a woman.

    In northern Iraq, where Kurdish forces are rapidly regaining territory held by the Islamic State, that’s becoming a real risk for the extremists.

    There are plenty of female Kurdish soldiers on the front lines. They’re smaller than their male comrades, but they talk just as tough as they prowl the battlefield clutching automatic rifles and vowing vengeance for those victimized by the Islamic State.

    “We are equal with the men,” said Zekia Karhan, 26, a female guerrilla from Turkey who is with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, known as the PKK. “Every responsibility for a man is the same for a woman. We are treated equally, and that is why we are fighting.”

    The female PKK troops accessorize their olive drab uniforms with colorful scarfs, but they’re as thirsty for battle as anyone.

    “I fired on this position from the mountain,” said Felice Budak, 24, another PKK fighter from Turkey, as she stood next to a window pierced by several bullet holes in Makhmur, a town that the PKK helped recapture from the Islamic State this month.

    Budak said she wasn’t scared during the battle.

    Islamic State fighters “are very scared of death because they are only here to kill people,” she said. “I don’t mind doing it over and over again. I’ve already fought in Turkey, Iran and Syria.”

    The leftist PKK has been fighting the Turkish government for decades and is classed as a terrorist organization by the U.S. But its fighters have been going into battle alongside Kurdish peshmerga in recent weeks and are credited by some locals with turning the tide of battle in Iraq.

    The female PKK troops get fired up when they talk about the mass rapes and sex slavery that has been a hallmark of the Islamic State.

    “Everywhere they go they kill and do bad things in the name of Islam,” Karhan said. “They captured a lot of women and they are selling them in Syria for $100. They rape women and behead them in the name of Islam.”

    Karhan said she’d heard stories about the extremists’ fear of being killed by the opposite sex. In northern Iraq, it is said that the Islamic State fighters, who are exclusively male, believe that they won’t be admitted to heaven if they are killed by a woman.

    At Makhmur, that may have been the fate of several Sunni extremists gunned down by the PKK.

    “Nobody knows if there is heaven or hell,” Karhan said. “How can they know they will get 27 virgins? To me Kurdistan is heaven and Kurdish women are angels. Heaven is no place for terrorists.”

    Budak said that she would could go shopping, wear makeup and buy nice clothes if she stayed in Turkey, but then she wouldn’t have her freedom.

    “I am happy here with my freedom in my own country,” she said.

    The PKK commander in Makhmur, Tekosher Zagros, praised his female troops but got upset when a linguist confused his group with the peshmerga — Kurdish government forces.

    “Not peshmerga,” Zagros grumbled in broken English. “Guerrillas… partisans.”

    Zagros was also upset that the PKK hadn’t received support from the Iraqi government. He noted the terrorist designation by the U.S. and NATO.

    “We understand it is because of Turkey,” he said. “Turkey is your friend. But you can see now that we are fighting the terrorists. It is clear now who are the terrorists.”

    Zaynab Olivo contributed to this report.

    This site has pics of the female troops training.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/meet-kurdish-women-fighting-isis-syria-n199821

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  19. Major

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    This is an example of why defeating ISIS needs to be framed as a Muslim world vs ISIS thing instead of a US vs ISIS thing:

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.616730

    The Islamic State jihadist organization has recruited more than 6,000 new fighters since America began targeting the group with air strikes last month, according to the U.K.-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

    ...



    And it's also why US ground troops in Iraq would be a terrible and counterproductive idea. You could kill more ISIS people, but they'd also recruit that much faster, creating more of a whack-a-mole situation.
     
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    Then whack 'em all.
     

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