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Possible US Airstrikes on ISIS in Iraq

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Aug 7, 2014.

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  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    ROFL!!!

    I guess they give out MBAs to village idiots now.

    You're such a joke.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm going to wait and see if this does pan out but this could be a good development.

    http://news.msn.com/world/arab-league-chief-confront-islamic-state-group

    Arab League chief: Confront Islamic State group

    CAIRO (AP) — The head of the Arab League urged its members Sunday to confront Islamic State extremists "militarily and politically," issuing an apparent call to arms as President Barack Obama prepares to go to lawmakers and the American public with his own plan to stop the militants.

    Backing from the 22-country Arab League could provide crucial support across the Middle East for Obama's effort to assemble an international coalition against the Islamic State, the marauding group that has conquered a swath of Iraq and Syria and committed beheadings and mass killings to sow terror.

    Already, NATO forces have agreed to take on the extremists.

    Arab League chief Nabil Elaraby said that what is needed from Arab countries is a "clear and firm decision for a comprehensive confrontation" with "cancerous and terrorist" groups. The Arab League includes Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.

    Obama will meet with congressional leaders on Tuesday and then outline his plan to the war-weary American public Wednesday, the eve of the 13th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

    "I just want the American people to understand the nature of the threat and how we're going to deal with it and to have confidence that we'll be able to deal with it," Obama said in an interview broadcast Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

    In new airstrikes Sunday, the U.S. targeted Islamic State fighters in Iraq's long-contested Anbar province for the first time, launching attacks with bomber and fighter aircraft.

    The American military said the airstrikes destroyed, among other things, an Islamic Group command post and several vehicles, two of which were carrying anti-aircraft artillery.

    It wasn't immediately clear what steps the Arab League would take in supporting the West's campaign against the Islamic State. And reaching a consensus on how to move could be complicated by Arab world rivalries and member countries' different spheres of influence.

    An Arab diplomat speaking to Egypt's official MENA news agency said a resolution backing cooperation with the U.S. would go before members Sunday. He did not elaborate.

    But a draft resolution obtained by The Associated Press offered only routine condemnation of terrorist groups operating in the region. It also called on member states to improve information-sharing and legal expertise in combating terrorism, and to prevent the paying of ransom to militants.

    Elaraby himself noted that the Arab League's member states have failed to help each other in the past when facing local armed groups, often because of disagreements and fear of being accused of meddling in one another's affairs.

    He called the Islamic State a threat to the existence of Iraq and its neighbors. It is "one of the examples of the challenges that are violently shaking the Arab world, and one the Arab League, regrettably, has not been able to confront," he said.

    A decades-old joint Arab defense agreement states that member countries can act alone or collectively to ward off attack and restore peace by all means, including force. Elaraby, a longtime Egyptian diplomat, said an agreement to activate that clause in the 1950 agreement is needed.

    Before the Arab League meeting, Elaraby spoke by telephone to U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to discuss the Islamic State insurgents.

    A senior State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to publicly discuss the private diplomatic conversation, said Kerry updated Elaraby on efforts to combat the insurgents.

    "They discussed the need for the Arab League and its members to take a strong position in the coalition that is developing ... and the importance of decisive action" to stop the flow of foreign fighters, disrupt the Islamic State's financing and combat incitement, the official said.

    Kerry said the military aspect is only one part of the effort, and more comprehensive coordination with Arab countries — combining law enforcement, intelligence, economic and diplomatic tools — is required, the official said.

    Meanwhile, the U.S. said it launched airstrikes around Haditha Dam in western Iraq. U.S. officials said the offensive was an effort to beat back the militants from the dam, which remained under Iraqi control.

    The militants could have opened or damaged the dam, flooding wide areas as far as Baghdad's international airport, where hundreds of U.S. personnel are stationed, National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, traveling in Georgia, said the Iraqi government had asked the U.S. to launch the airstrikes.

    Amid the fighting, the province's governor and the mayor of Haditha were wounded by a roadside bomb, said Faleh al-Issawi, a member of Anbar's provincial council. Gov. Gov. Ahmed al-Dulaimi later tweeted that he was not seriously hurt.
     
  3. gifford1967

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    Republican congressman Jack Kingston of Georgia, commenting on a proposed vote to authorize use of military force against ISIS, perfectly captures his party's traitorous mindset.

    Christ, they are an actual fifth column.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    Not really sure where to put this so am putting it here.

    Unfortunately something like this that should just be a joke has to be taken seriously. A we saw with the Boston Bombing it only takes one or two people who actually believe this stuff to do a lot of damage.

    http://news.msn.com/science-technology/isil-is-now-threatening-to-assassinate-twitter-employees-1

    ISIL is now threatening to assassinate Twitter employees

    ISIL has already broadly threatened the United States for its airstrikes against the group, killing at least two American journalists, and threatening to behead a British citizen for the United Kingdom's participation in the efforts to stem ISIL's growth.

    However, as Vocativ reports, the group is now threatening employees of the social media site Twitter, which has been (somewhat half-heartedly) engaged in the monitoring and closing down of the accounts of ISIL fighters:

    The call for retribution against the online platform was first announced Sunday night in a series of tweets asking “lone wolves” in the U.S. and Europe to make Twitter employees the focus of their attacks."

    Here is a translation of a tweet from a since-banned Twitter account, which employed a specific hashtag in its repeated calls for violence.

    “#The_Concept_of_Lone_Wolf_Attacks The time has arrived to respond to Twitter’s management by directly attacking their employees and physically assassinating them!! Those who will carry this out are the sleepers cells of death.”

    Writing in Politico, Jacob Silverman outlined how the group uses Twitter and other social media sites to recruit new members, boast of its activities, and make ISIL-related hashtags trend. By and large, Twitter hasn't been able (or perhaps hasn't chosen) to do much about it:

    Yet in the days after [James] Foley’s death, something strange happened: very little at all. The video was released on a Tuesday. By Friday, many IS supporters had reappeared on Twitter under new or similar account names — some even bragged about dodging Twitter’s censors . Many of them were defending Foley’s murder or pointed to what they saw as Western hypocrisy over the apparent belief that graphic footage of one American mattered more than the gory photos and videos they had been posting for months."

    According to the SFGate, Twitter hasn't revealed whether it's beefing up its security, telling the paper, the “security team is investigating the veracity of these threats with relevant law enforcement officials.”
     
  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    These clowns are in office the secure re-election first and foremost now.

    God I wish we still had some WW2 vets in office.
     
  6. basso

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  7. Cohete Rojo

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    I read a few months back about how Saudi Arabia felt the US would turn it's back on them and focus on forming an alliance with Iran.

    It almost seems there is a kernel of truth to the claim. Saudis are funding some of the radical Islamists fighting against Asad's regime, and attacks against ISIS seem to be drawing Iran into the fight against ISIS.
     
  8. Kojirou

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    Good to see Obama put to rest the idea of working with Assad tonight. While I am ambivalent about the idea of chasing IS into Syria, I understand the rationale.
     
  9. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Holy crap. <a href="http://t.co/QSFwnTI1p5" title="http://twitter.com/GayPatriot/status/509888502193209344/photo/1">pic.twitter.com/QSFwnTI1p5</a></p>&mdash; GayPatriot™ (@GayPatriot) <a href="https://twitter.com/GayPatriot/status/509888502193209344" data-datetime="2014-09-11T02:17:46+00:00">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  10. downbytheriver

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    Here's all the intel I cld find on Isis:
    ISIS headquarters is the home base of operations of the International Secret Intelligence Service (ISIS). It is located in New York City on the corner of a busy city block. Malory Archer is the owner and spymaster for ISIS. She also owns the entire building that ISIS is run out of, however she has leased out 3 of the floors for financial reasons.
    The bottom floor was 4-5-6 Laundry, a wash and fold operated by an Indian-American owner. It has since been sold to Popeye a former loan-sharking pimp gone legitimate, who renamed the business Popeye's Suds and Duds.
     
  11. A_3PO

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    I've been wanting this for years if Iran's government would moderate enough. Hopefully it's just a matter of time.

    Saudi Arabia and Iran have been tussling forever and my bet is the U.S. switches sides down the line. The hostage crisis scarred the american public to such an extent that many people here didn't realize how much Iranian society had changed in 30 years. It took the "election" protests 5 years ago to wake people up. But as long as the bad guys in Tehran have the guns, change will be slow or non-existent.
     
  12. krnxsnoopy

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    lol wut?
     
  13. Kojirou

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    As much as people love to talk up the possibility of an Iranian alliance, there is no way it happens as long as the mullahs are in charge. Iran's desire to dominate the Middle East is fundamentally incompatible with our interests, not to mention its flaunting of international norms on nuclear weapons.
     
  14. Cohete Rojo

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    The US cannot use a coup to place its preferred people in power in Iraq. It would just make the whole Iraq thing look much worse than it is. Because it is bad.

    The US military will need to use the utmost scrutiny in deciding targets if they are to rely on the Iraq army as their eyes and ears on the ground.

    Iraq has no unity. The Kurds defy the central government and likely will in the near future as bombing occurs. It probably wouldn't be politically advantageous for the US to be played by Iraq by bombing non-ISIL Kurds in Syria. Some Kurds throughout the region are sympathetic to a Kurdish state.
     
  15. Rocketman95

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    It's true. It's really surprising they've made such gains when their best agent is a functioning drunk with a bit of jungle fever.
     
  16. Dubious

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    I heard an interview with a young female Iranian author on the Daily Show where she said that the youth of Iran were on the verge of supporting a governmental change in Iran, but the chaos of the Arab Spring had scared them and changed their minds. The paradox of living in the duel societies of Sharia Law in public and secular freedom in private was bearable when compared to the violence of change.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    The US doesn't need to work with Assad directly to take on ISIS in Syria. That said I think that Obama made a mistake a couple of years ago when he said he unequivocally declared Assad had to go. I think that painted the US in a corner with how to deal with Syria.
     
  18. Cohete Rojo

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    Does anyone recall what his reason was?

    It is interesting that the US is making moves against ISIL and not Asad. All the meanwhile relations with Iran continue to grow.
     
  19. REEKO_HTOWN

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    Assad used chemical weapons to kill innocent civilians maybe? Maybe that's why?
     
  20. Amiga

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    The "official" reason is Assad kills his own people.

    The real reason is likely something strategic to the US and the West. Russia, China and Iran as friends of Assad might just be a big part of it.
     

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