[POLL] Burglar shot, killed by neighbors watching home

I don't disagree with the sentiment.

 

What makes you think I was trained in a controlled environment...??? Are even grew up in one for that matter.

Just the same you're making this situation and the Martin situation the same when they are totally different. You can't separate the two and that's probably why you are beating your chest over a dead home invader.

 

And if someone get's seriously injured or killed trying to stop a thief is that just part of the social contract?

 

May I ask what sort of environment you grew up in?

And you keep on missing the point. I don't care about the dead home invader. I care about the safety of those who think they are doing right.

Do you think that Zimmerman felt like he could've handled the situation with Martin? Do you think he expected to get knocked on his ass by Martin?

 

Then they chose to put themselves in harms way and sometimes there are consequences for doing so. Just because being a "good Samaritan" is morally praiseworthy does not mean that it is without risk and potential consequence.

 

That's irrelevant... But if you read between the lines you may can figure it out.

Zimmerman is a different issue. An over zealous civilian with a gun patrolling the streets looking to shoot someone... He should be in jail.

The two neighbors were in their homes and were responding to a house alarm that had an intruder... They were intervening while a crime was actually being committed. A crime that police officers usually can't stop or find the offender after the fact... Yes their story sounds like BS _ but it doesn't matter.

 

If Martin was so scared he wouldn't have called his girlfriend and told her a "creepy ass cracka" was following him.

They aren't getting double pounded like half of us are.

 

For exercising his rights and following someone he deemed suspicious? And then defending himself against violence? Everything he did leading up to and the shooting were legal.

Were you even born in America?

 

He could have called the police and had plenty of time to do so. What training does he have to deem someone suspicious and or trail someone from a safe distance...

I'm willing to intervene with a home invader (burglar, intruder, whatever) but your lazy @** have to do more than just write traffic tickets and mess with people for jaywalking.

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

Police have no constitutional duty to protect you. If they decide they'd rather go get a donut than respond to your 911 call, tough luck for you.

 

MF'er lived there. He should know better than anyone what in the hell looks suspicious.

I'd like to see what it's like in your world for just one day..

 

The thing is that Zimmerman was wrong in his judgment. So whatever basis he used in determining Martin didn't belong there, was wrong.

I would venture to say Zimmerman didn't know better than anyone what looked suspicious.

Martin belonged there, and Zimmerman was wrong about his assessment of the situation.

 

That wasn't Martin's permanent residence
Zimmerman knew that blacks males had been stealing from the area
If Zimmerman lives there, who would know better than to what's suspicious? Granted, someone just walking isn't always necessarily suspicious, but Zimmerman didn't recognize him as a neighbor. Which he really wasn't.

Not guilty

 

It is relevant because you brought it up. If you don't want to discuss your background that is your business and I won't ask but then you shouldn't cite your training and upbringing as a point in a debate.

I felt Zimmerman was in the wrong but I didn't think he intended to shoot anyone when he set out that night. I think like this case he felt compelled to act to prevent (what he thought) was a criminal and put himself in a dangerous situation.

Except that you are ignoring they could've observed the burglar, they could've caught him on video and his car so the police could ID who it is and track the car. They could've just called the police as soon as they heard the alarm. It's speculative but how do we know what the response time would've been. There might've been a cruiser a couple of blocks away. Barring all of those once they burglar trapped himself in the bathroom. They could've just called the cops to come and take custody instead of trying to go in and apprehend him themselves.

 

Zimmerman was absolutely not guilty. There was a trial and that was the result. But Zimmerman was absolutely wrong about Martin not belonging there.

So if even though Zimmerman was wrong about Martin you believed that he would be the best judge of who was suspicious and didn't belong there, then it seems it would only make sense to rethink your idea about private citizens rushing in and shooting suspected burglars since we've seen how faulty their judgment can be.

 

That's an unsettling ruling but reading it I think it is much narrower than what you are saying. It appears that it is arguing that a restraining order isn't mandatory enforcement under CO law and also that there isn't an issue of property protection that law enforcement would be obligated to enforce. In the case of a robbery that clearly is a case of property protection.

 

Someone must have hacked into my account....

Did I ever say I would recommend running in after burglars? No I didn't.
I agree that the burglar earned his own death. I don't fault the citizen for running in there. He took care of business and rehabilitated the scum bag via lead poisoning.

I can tell you that I wouldn't run in after a burglar. Not looking for trouble.

Recommend it, no. Disagree with it, no. Citizens are getting fed up.

 

That is my point. Many of you are celebrating these do gooders because you are focused on the meting out justice to the criminals. You're ignoring though how reckless this type of behavior is.

I've had homes robbed a few times, during college and after I lived in some sketchy neighborhoods. Heck I once punched a guy that was trying to climb into my bedroom. I know how frustrating and aggravating home robbery is and especially that cops don't seem to do much about it. I still wouldn't encourage or celebrate neighbors taking the law into their own hand just to protect my property.

I brought this up in the Joe Horn thread but I'm glad my neighbor didn't try to intervene when she saw my home robbed. I much rather have my neighbors safe and sound than my flat screen. The only thing I fault her for was not calling the police sooner.

 

As has been said already, robberies were occuring in that area just days before this. Hindsight is 20/20 now so of course by seeing alot of the comments here most of you dont have experience in this type of matter. In my personal experience the law was always too late, no fault of their own but this isnt a tv show and there is a wait that is just the reality of it. Like the cop said by the time they show up there is literally nothing to pursue so they are of no help. There is a fear and sense of anger one feels knowing that a burglar or criminal is on the loose in YOU'RE neighborhood and there is no way to stop it if they are always getting away. This self righteous act you people are putting up is r****ded and i will gladly sleep knowing my 9mm is 2 feet away just in case, because it is robbing season in houston.

 

Bahahahaha...

The ole he didn't racially profile him but he did racially profile him argument. Love it!