not clueless just dont want to search through the 500 pages of cat fights about who is better and look at this and that.
hahahahhaa right so using that logic, the only difference between harden and tony allen is motor as far as defense is concerned.
RPM is so stupid. its just a glorified PER based on box score. ESP when it comes to defense it should be thrown out the window. it takes block/steals and FG made while player X is on the floor etc. more about team defense. NO STAT does full justice to defense. you have to really just watch film and use specific stats to learn very specific things, but you cant rely on it to say player x is better than player y because of rpm...
^^^^^ THIS!! When I see guys relying on RPM for player evaluations in obvious cases such as Terrence vs. Faried I know they ain't watching games or they don't know what they're seeing when they do watch games. http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/4/8/5594238/problem-with-real-plus-minus http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2014/4/9/5591108/jae-crowder-problem-espn-real-plus-minus-rpm http://www.hickory-high.com/is-espns-real-plus-minus-for-real/
Faried has shown to be a much better defender than TJones, and it's not even close. Really, with Jones length and athleticism he should be better than he is. But he doesn't really have much suddenness to his game
so you went from Faried/TJ comparisons and somehow attributed it to Harden and Allen. i guess you have a hard time comprehending reading. hahahhah. Specifically says two meaning Faried and TJ
What the F do you think the team USA coaches are going to say about all the players including Harden? They're going to shoot praise out their rear ends even for the guys they end up cutting. They're going to pile the BS on nice and thick to stoke the egos of the "stars". *note: not commenting on the context of this discussion just saying you have to take anything the team USA coaches are saying publicly or privately with a grain of salt. The players are going to give their best effort and do and say the "right" things because they're on a national/international stage. The true story is what the player does on the floor the 2nd night of a back 2 back after the all star game against Utah or some other bad team.
Faried has captured the attention of many NBA fans with his play for the Nuggets. He plays with relentless and never-ending energy when he’s on the floor, which makes him an explosive offensive player, particularly in transition, and a fantastic rebounder. However, his energy hasn’t translated to success on the defensive end of the floor. Last season, according to Synergy, Faried ranked a mere 380th in the league defensively, allowing 0.95 points per possession. Moreover, the Nuggets were actually 1.1 points per 100 possessions worse with Faried on the floor last season than when he was on the bench. Faried’s explosiveness gives him the ability to block shots, but the fact that he’s undersized at the power forward puts him at a disadvantage in that area. Bigger guys are able to get position on him to where he can’t get a block or to where opponents can draw a foul when Faried goes for a block that’s an issue. Obviously the simplest thing for Faried to do would be for him to grow, but that’s not exactly something he can wish into beings. Instead, Faried has to become a smarter defender while still maintaining his energy. He has to learn how to get in better position while also harnessing his aggressiveness. By doing this, he will make it harder for opponents to score while also staying out of foul trouble more often. still laughing at people that think Faried is good at defense
There should be a thread titled "Debate with basketballholic" and see how long that one goes. I'd imagine longer than this depressing one.
This thread has gone from an exciting argument of Melo or Bosh to fall somewhat flatly to Parsons or Ariza then picked up again on Dragic/Rondo/Rubio/Bledsoe and now we are arguing over Faried or Jones? Man, what a bummer lol. I say we stop arguing and see how the offseason and season progress. If there is anything I know about our FO, is that they are constantly looking to make this team better and will work day and night to get the right trades and free agent signings - let them figure it out. No point in trying to decipher every little rumor and fight over what you think it means or whatever. Just take it as it is and watch if the speculations turns true.
I respect your opinions BBH, but I think you're wrong on this one. From Zach Lowe's article: He’s probably going to top out as an average NBA defender, if he reaches that point. The Nuggets have been worse defensively with him on the floor in each of Faried’s three seasons, and his size will always be an issue on the block; opponents have hit 51 percent of post-up shots against Faried this season, per Synergy. That is a roasting. Denver has to send him help, which has bad ripple effects elsewhere. Playing with better defensive teammates should help in the long run, but the Faried/Timofey Mozgov pairing hasn’t fared much better than the disastrous Faried/J.J. Hickson and Faried/JaVale McGee tandems, per NBA.com. Faried has improved defending in space and against the pick-and-roll, an area of defense in which his inconsistency used to drive Karl “crazy,” the coach says. He’s steadier on his feet, more under control, with a better understanding of what an opposing offense is trying to do. He’s also fast enough to defend the pick-and-roll in lots of different ways. He can blitz out at ball handlers, trapping them near midcourt, and switch onto smaller players. That is an increasingly important skill for NBA big men. If the offensive player setting the screen has no post-up game, a switch is almost risk-free — provided the big guy defending the screener can hop onto a guard without issue. A middling guy like Brandon Bass has gotten situational mileage out of this very switch. Faried’s insane offensive rebounding is a form of defense in itself. Karl says that during last year’s first-round series, the Warriors sent an extra player, usually a guard, down toward the paint on Denver shot attempts just to help box out Faried. Such extra attention can make it difficult for Denver opponents to turn misses into fast breaks. Faried is never going to be an elite defender. He’s short, without a long wingspan to compensate, and a player going balls-out on offense can only reserve so much energy for the other end. He’s better at rotating over from the weak side to challenge shots than he used to be, but he’s still a beat late sometimes. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/kenneth-faried-manimal-evolution-denver-nuggets/
Faried can probably end up being better than Jones and maybe a smidge above average on the defensive end. All of this is so painful. I hate the fact that it seems like we will wait until mid-season to upgrade. We seem to place no value on chemistry. Worrisome.
Zach Lowe and George Karl must not watch the games either. But for real, to be honest I have not watched more than 10-12 full games of Kenneth Faried in his career probably. But my small sample size and his unimpressive defensive stats leave me with the impression that he's not someone you bring in to improve your defense.
I'll pass on Faried. If Parsons is not that 3rd star, neither is Faried. And Faried will demand to get paid in the $10-$12 million range IMO. Just not worth it. He is vastly over-rated now that he is with team USA making the hustle plays and cleaning up the garbage. TJ provides you pretty much what Faried does at a fraction of the cost. Offensively, TJ can become so versatile. He already has the handles and can finish at the rim. If he develops a somewhat consistent J, he will be deadly. Defensively, he is a good weak side shot blocker and decent rebounder but that's about it. However, I can see TJ improving on D.
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