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Possible US Airstrikes on ISIS in Iraq

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Aug 7, 2014.

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  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Okay I'll spell it out for you because apparently you need an infantry-proof explanation to understand the simplest things. Do you believe in the rights afforded in the Bill of Rights? If yes, then they are your beliefs as well. It's really sad that I had to spell that out for you. Do better, be better.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    Some members of the US military don't feel the way you do.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    I agree that he doesn't think for himself, but you don't even appear to be able to properly interpret the English language. You still don't understand what I said.

    Not surprised.
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, they are RIGHTS, guaranteed to us by the founding documents of this country. It has nothing to do with my beliefs at all.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    So then you don't believe in the freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to peacefully assemble, the right to keep and bear arms and so on?
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    I believe that the Constitution guarantees me those rights and that, as a citizen, it is my duty to protect those rights for other people.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    But you don't personally believe that those ought to be rights? You just live with the fact that others think they should be, is that what you're saying?
     
  8. Rashmon

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    State school in Pollok?
     
  9. Faust

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    happy to see im not alone in wanting to wipe out islam and its evil followers. not since we faced the evil russians and evil iranians has america faced a threat like this. michael savage made a good point about the liberals who ignorantly protect moslems. like a sheep protecting a wolf from human hunters.
     
  10. Faust

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    no i went to a baptist university a few hours north from pollock but dropped out.
     
  11. treeman

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    Faust,

    All muslims are not equal. Some are monsters, some are perfectly normal people. I met some in Iraq who would have died to protect me. Believe it or not, there are many good ones out there, they just don't make the news like the really bad ones do.

    Please, stop. You're making me nod my head in agreement at things that GladiatoRowdy - one of my least favorite posters here - is typing. If you can make me do that... you're doing this wrong.
     
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  12. dandorotik

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    Islam is so awful- wow, just wow- just pure ignorance- yeah, blame the religion rather than the people who bastardize it- tell me, should I call Christianity awful because of these?:


    Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
    Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
    Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
    15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
    16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
    Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]


    20th Century Church Atrocities

    Catholic extermination camps
    Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!

    In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]
    Catholic terror in Vietnam
    In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]

    Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.

    The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
    "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

    Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].

    To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life....

    Rwanda Massacres
    In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.

    For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.

    Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

    "Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

    According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.

    In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    This is what you need to do. Police the crazy, ignorant masses. They give conservatism a very bad name.
     
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  14. treeman

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    Not my job.

    Why don't you make glynch and mc mark go away?;)
     
  15. Commodore

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    smh

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>WaPo: 'British examining [Foley] video...to compare it with former Guantanamo Bay prisoners...believed to have joined the Islamic State.'</p>&mdash; Byron York (@ByronYork) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByronYork/statuses/501934077612941312">August 20, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  16. treeman

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    Ya don't say...

    I can't shake the feeling that someone somewhere though it would be a good idea to shut down Gitmo and release those guys. Can't for the life of me remember who that might have been. Hmm...
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    I wouldn't make them "go away," but if they made totally outrageous, unAmerican comments, I would certainly criticize them, as you have with faust.
     
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    Gitmo is shut down? Since when?
     
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    Could you provide an example of where you have done this? If you need examples of totally outrageous glynch comments...let me know ;).
     
  20. SamFisher

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    Actually the proposal was to close it down (which is and remains the right thing to do) and send the prisoners to plain old boring American prisons, which are a total cakewalk you know, of course the retort from the right was that these guys were Magneto-esque supervillains who could not be contained by a regular old American prison.
     

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