[Military State] Ferguson, MO

Bandwagoner · Aug 19, 2014

Rip Van Rocket said: ↑

There is something wrong with you. So now you're recommending the best weapon to kill a cop?
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I'm not the guy who said I am buying a gun because cops are going crazy. Not sure why you don't go after that guy who I was just responding to.

Also I never said it was the best. Just a good option.

Bobbythegreat · Aug 19, 2014

GladiatoRowdy said: ↑

Other people said he roughed the clerk up. I saw him reach into the clerk's space, which is where I think the money exchange happened. Then, the clerk comes out from behind the counter in a very nonchalant way, didn't confront Brown at all, and didn't look like his feathers were even ruffled.

Hard to see where that was any kind of traumatic experience for the clerk, which a robbery definitely would be.
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This comment reeks of

Anas acuta · Aug 19, 2014

DFWRocket said: ↑

Witness has different version when he doesn't know his voice is being recorded..

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Personally, I think all the protests are way too early. At least wait until the investigation is over and listen to all the evidence before you jump to a conclusion either way. Then protest if you disagree with the outcome. Right now all that is happening is the protests and outcry are convoluting all the facts.
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I've posted that twice.

That speaks volumes though..

krnxsnoopy · Aug 19, 2014

JuanValdez said: ↑

Yes. There's a bunch of things getting conflated together. There's the general Ferguson PD relationship with the community, which apparently was not very healthy. There's whatever happened with Brown, which may or may not have been justified. There's the peaceful protests and the looters. There's the initial police reaction and the Highway Patrol. I think a lot of people are hanging their hats on this use of force on Brown, and if it comes out that Brown was a credible threat, you're going to have a lot of onlookers saying the whole reaction was without merit. It seems like the reaction, though, was really to the first issue -- the poor relationship between the PD and the community, and reinforced by the first day looting and the initial police reaction to the looting -- and that the perception of the shooting was just a catalyst and not actually important in itself at all. Too much weight of the protest has been put on the shooting, and the country is going to turn its back on Ferguson (besides the black community) if the evidence of the case doesn't suggest it was excessive, because we don't want to think about all the other stuff.
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The irony is that, the circumstances of the shooting IS important to the protesters (and to certain posters in this thread). They are probably more important to them than they are to anybody else.

REEKO_HTOWN · Aug 19, 2014

Rip Van Rocket said: ↑

There is something wrong with you. So now you're recommending the best weapon to kill a cop?
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Would it be better worded if he said rogue cops?

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DFWRocket · Aug 19, 2014

GladiatoRowdy said: ↑

Other people said he roughed the clerk up. I saw him reach into the clerk's space, which is where I think the money exchange happened. Then, the clerk comes out from behind the counter in a very nonchalant way, didn't confront Brown at all, and didn't look like his feathers were even ruffled.

Hard to see where that was any kind of traumatic experience for the clerk, which a robbery definitely would be.
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You must've seen the edited version - here is the raw where Brown shoves the clerk back by his neck and then charges & threatens the clerk in order to stop the clerk from following him - begin at 1:15

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GladiatoRowdy · Aug 19, 2014

jo mama said: ↑

didnt a video come out last week which showed the clerk trying to stop brown from leaving the store and brown pushing him?
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I'm commenting on the video posted in this thread.

K-Low_4_Prez · Aug 19, 2014

any truth to the rumors that that video isn't of Brown?

Someone told me the store clerk said it was from months ago and that wasn't even brown... but its so hard to know what to believe these days.

Bobbythegreat · Aug 19, 2014

K-Low_4_Prez said: ↑

any truth to the rumors that that video isn't of Brown?

Someone told me the store clerk said it was from months ago and that wasn't even brown... but its so hard to know what to believe these days.
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I think that's another one of those

type situations.

He looks just like him, was wearing the same clothes, was with the same person and the police were called about 10 minutes before the kid got himself shot...It's pretty obvious that it was the kid, but there will always be a few that will hold out hope that their narrative will remain unblemished no matter how much evidence there is against it.

DaleDoback · Aug 19, 2014

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash">#Ferguson</a> message: white cop must be presumed innocent & given due process, black kid must be presumed guilty & killed without due process</p>— David Sirota (@davidsirota) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidsirota/statuses/501768135121199104">August 19, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Anas acuta · Aug 19, 2014

DaleDoback said: ↑

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash">#Ferguson</a> message: white cop must be presumed innocent & given due process, black kid must be presumed guilty & killed without due process</p>— David Sirota (@davidsirota) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidsirota/statuses/501768135121199104">August 19, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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I guess the people chanting for the officer's death see him as innocent until proven guilty?

I guess the media thinks the officer is innocent too.

If Brown hadn't brought fists to a gunfight he'd have a day in court too.

giddyup · Aug 19, 2014

GladiatoRowdy said: ↑

Other people said he roughed the clerk up. I saw him reach into the clerk's space, which is where I think the money exchange happened. Then, the clerk comes out from behind the counter in a very nonchalant way, didn't confront Brown at all, and didn't look like his feathers were even ruffled.

Hard to see where that was any kind of traumatic experience for the clerk, which a robbery definitely would be.
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The clerk came out from behind the counter and hurried past Brown so as to get between him and the door. Brown puts his hand on the clerk and shoves him backwards as he exits. Only one version of that video show this part of the episode.

The video posted just above this shows the whole sequence.

Rocket River · Aug 19, 2014

http://www.xojane.com/issues/ferguson-twitter-trolls

THE 10 KINDS OF TROLLS YOU WILL ENCOUNTER WHEN TALKING ABOUT MIKE BROWN
A black male is killed by police every 28 hours in America. This is a racial issue.
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If you’re paying attention to the events unfolding in Ferguson—and by God, you better be—then you probably already know there is a group of people in this country of ours who are determined to change the focus of the conversation about the murder of Mike Brown and the subsequent protests, attempting to shift the lens away from the Constitutional rights of US citizens and the murder of a black teenager. If you’re reading this, you probably already know the folks I’m talking about. But here they are. #Staywoke.

The Full-Blown Racist Troll

Block on sight. Some of them are friends of your Facebook friends—block them. Some of them are your Facebook friends. Many of them are anonymous and relying on blatantly racist language, such as blackface imagery, monkey references, use of the N-word, etc. These have exploded over the last week. We’re talking hundreds. I’ve been using Twitter avidly for years and I can’t recall ever seeing quite this much racist bile taking over an event-related hashtag (#Ferguson) as I have this week. Block them and report them for spam immediately.

The “Wait for Evidence” Troll

This troll may or may not be anonymous and pretends to be focused on respecting and upholding the law. “We don’t know what happened yet,” they say, “wait for evidence before you lambast an officer of the law.” They pretend that things like racism, police brutality, police corruption, etc. don’t exist and insist that if concrete evidence is released, they will be swayed to feel “sympathy” for Mike Brown. But they won’t. When evidence arises, they find objection to its relevance or veracity. They then transform into The “Mike Brown Shouldn’t Have [insert human action here]” Troll, to follow.

The “Mike Brown Shouldn’t Have [insert human action here]” Troll

This troll (and the others as well) will go great lengths to justify the taking of black life. “He shouldn’t have run,” “he shouldn’t have been sagging,” “he shouldn’t have been walking down the middle of the street,” “he shouldn’t have stolen something.” These trolls come in all races and will insist that when a police officer (or a homeowner, or a security guard) assaults a person of color, that person must have done something to deserve it. The fact that Mike Brown was shot at least 6 times doesn’t register as overkill, even when two of those shots were in the head. They will also extend effort to paint Ferguson as a ghetto, where this kind of thing happens all the time. Nope. Ferguson, Missouri had zero murders until Officer Darren Wilson killed Mike Brown.

The “Police Are the Good Guys” Troll

These folks have a blissfully naïve version of police in their heads, the one fed to them since they were children that says police are the good guys and that no matter what they do, they must have had a reason. These people have no concept—or pretend to have no concept—of the depth of white supremacy and the way it is ingrained in every facet of our culture…even our police. Because they believe the police are always right—and usually because they also believe that groups of black people are inherently violent—they have no qualms about police dressed in military gear, sitting on tanks and tear-gassing American citizens. ‘Murica. You may also hear these trolls say, “What about due process?” Well…we would proceed with due process. If they would actually arrest Darren Wilson. Which they haven’t. So… The “Violence Just Begets More Violence” Troll These people are the riot-shamers. They roll out the word “looters!” at every chance and are not interested in the fact that only a small number of people at the protests have actively looted, or that Ferguson protestors actually locked arms to prevent said looting. These trolls hide behind anonymous accounts, they masquerade as sane coworkers, and they work for CNN and other major media outlets. They focus on the “unrest” in Ferguson and talk about it out of context in an attempt to 1) divert attention away from the killing of an unarmed black teenager and/or 2) disguise their lack of critical thought. As Mia McKenzie of Black Girl Dangerous said so well in this post:

“a community pushing back against a murderous police force that is terrorizing them is not a ‘riot’. It’s an uprising. It’s a rebellion. It’s a community saying We can’t take this anymore. We won’t take it. It’s people who have been dehumanized to the point of rightful rage. And it happens all over the world. Uprisings and rebellions are necessary and inevitable, locally and globally. This is not to say that actual riots don’t happen. White folks riot at sporting events, for example. Riots happen. But people rising up in righteous anger and rage in the face of oppression should not be dismissed as simply a ‘riot’.”
The Concern Troll

These are among the more passive aggressive trolls you will encounter. They not only target victims like Mike Brown with statements like “I wish he hadn’t stolen those cigars: he might be alive,” but target the community as well, saying things like “Should they really be out there protesting with little kids? I worry about that kind of parenting.”

Let me make one thing clear in case you weren’t sure: these people aren’t worried about the children of Ferguson. They’re not actually “concerned” at all,” despite their title. These people employ words like “worry” and “I wish” and “concern” to communicate their disapproval of black people doing anything besides playing the Martin Baker role. If they were actually concerned, they would see the images of police with hidden badge numbers, tear-gassing eight-year old girls, and be concerned about the escalation of violence police in Ferguson are responsible for.

The “But What About Black on Black Crime!” Troll

Yes, 85% of violent crime against black people is perpetuated by other black people. But guess what? The exact same is true for violent crime committed against white people: the vast majority of those crimes are committed by other white people. People who use the term “black on black crime” either 1) work for Fox News, 2) are seeking to portray black people as violent and out of control, and/or 3) seek to portray black people as only caring about black lives when there is a way to blame white people. Let’s run that back: 1) If they work for Fox News…you already know. 2) If we’re going to make sweeping statements about people being violent and out of control, perhaps we should focus on young white males. 3) Anyone who would fit with #3 is not interested in facts, otherwise they would be aware of the vast number of organizations and movements to end gun violence in black neighborhoods…spearheaded by black people. The real motivation behind this troll (and all of them really) is to distract from the matter at hand, and that’s that an unarmed black teen is dead.

The “Don’t Make This A Racial Issue!” Troll

These are the pearl-clutchers. “This could have happened to anyone! Let’s not make this a racial issue and instead focus on getting this cop off the street!” Yes, we should focus on getting this cop off the street, but we must also focus on the conditions that made this murder possible, and that is one of racism, white supremacy, and police violence that has been being built and rebuilt since the birth of this country. No, this wouldn’t have just happened to anyone. A black male is killed by police every 28 hours in America. This is a racial issue. These trolls will also accuse you of being racist for talking about racism and start quoting to you all the times black people perpetuated “reverse racism” against white people. Suggested action? Block and keep it moving.

The Misinformation Bots

These are particularly dangerous and I have seen a lot of them in the past week. I won’t speculate on where they come from—although I have a fairly good idea—but their sole purpose is to spread misinformation about Mike Brown and Darren Wilson, targeting people tweeting under the #Ferguson and #MikeBrown hashtags and sending them to false articles on homemade websites about alternate eyewitnesses that saw Brown attack Wilson, etc. Don’t engage with these people: they likely get paid for it. Report them as spam and, you guessed it: keep it moving.

The “I Wish We Could All Just Get Along” Troll

These trolls might mean well. They might. But that doesn’t mean they’re not trolls. You post/tweet an article and they tweet back, “This is all really bad, but I wish this wasn’t happening. Can’t we all just get along?” They’re trolling you. We all wish we could get along. But right now a boy is dead and is receiving no justice by the system that supposedly exists to protect him. Injecting Pollyanna-isms aren’t helping anyone. If you really want to help and the frontlines aren’t for you, just donate to the Michael Brown Memorial Fund. And stay out of the way.

This isn’t an exhaustive list. When a black person is killed in America, trolls come out of the woodwork in an attempt to justify or distract from the taking of that life. After finishing this post, I’m not even sure “troll” is the right word, but I’m not sure if I have a better one either. Weights, perhaps. Cinder blocks shackled to the rising tide of Americans who want better, believe in better; who see the murder of another black kid in America and say “enough.” These people are not merely trolls. “Troll” implies something harmless, a faceless entity in the underbelly of the Internet. These people are not harmless. They are part of the problem. Unfortunately I don’t have a solution for the problem they pose: they are not interested in self-education. They are not interested in empathy. They are not interested in challenging the worldview that has tucked them in at night and told them the police are here for our protection and that black people deserve what they get. They are interested only in standing very still, while the rest of us move forward. All I can say is this: move on without them. Block, report, and move on without them. Even when they’re friends.

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Rocket River

Anas acuta · Aug 19, 2014

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the District Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.
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Getting more clear every day

Bobbythegreat · Aug 19, 2014

Rocket River said: ↑

http://www.xojane.com/issues/ferguson-twitter-trolls

Rocket River
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I'm not sure whoever wrote that list actually understands what a troll is.

mr. 13 in 33 · Aug 19, 2014

Anas acuta said: ↑

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack

Getting more clear every day
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They couldn't release this days ago. They're holding back a lot more things

Anas acuta · Aug 19, 2014

mr. 13 in 33 said: ↑

They couldn't release this days ago. They're holding back a lot more things
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I don't mind it. It is making everyone involved look like morons.

K-Low_4_Prez · Aug 19, 2014

Anas acuta said: ↑

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack

Getting more clear every day
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in other words once he got back to the station they had one of his buddies give him a nice punch to the eye lol who knows

Anas acuta · Aug 19, 2014

mr. 13 in 33 said: ↑

They couldn't release this days ago. They're holding back a lot more things
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Medical records aren't subject to public records like police reports and dash cam videos.

Anas acuta · Aug 19, 2014

Have Al and Jesse's plane taken off back home yet?

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