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Currently what is our single best trade asset excluding Howard/Harden?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by basketballholic, Aug 14, 2014.

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Which single asset in this list has the most trade value?

  1. Terrence

    66 vote(s)
    28.2%

  2. Donuts

    6 vote(s)
    2.6%

  3. Beverley

    11 vote(s)
    4.7%

  4. Pelies pick

    118 vote(s)
    50.4%

  5. a future Rockets first round pick

    19 vote(s)
    8.1%

  6. Canaan

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  7. KPap

    2 vote(s)
    0.9%

  8. Ariza

    12 vote(s)
    5.1%
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  1. basketballholic

    basketballholic Member

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    All posters that selected something other than the Pelies pick follow me here.


    Do you realize that what you are saying is the player you selected could be traded for a first round pick from a probable lottery team with less protection than the top 3?? The Pels pick is top 3 protected. They are PROBABLY a lottery team. If you think one of the other players has more value than the Pelies pick then what you are saying is we could trade that player for a first round pick from a probable lottery team with either no pick protection or top 1 pick protection or top 2 pick protection only.
     
    #21 basketballholic, Aug 14, 2014
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    3 people picked a future rockets 1st... there's no way a future rox pick is gonna b more than Pellies pick... so either we have at least 3 morons on the board - or 3 trolls...lol
     
    #22 kjayp, Aug 14, 2014
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    Can't disagree more.

    1. A player, say Azria, is more valuable than the NOP pick doesn't mean we can trade it to a lotto team. Lotto teams may not value a great role player as much as a contending team.
    2. top 3 protected sounds fine and dandy. But where do you honestly believe the pick will end up?
     
    #23 duluth111222, Aug 14, 2014
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    ^ doesn't mean we can trade him to a lotto team.
     
    #24 duluth111222, Aug 14, 2014
  5. ChumpCity

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    Lol. I understand the concept of trade value sir, thank you. Prob should have elaborated:

    Some teams want picks in return to build for the future. Some teams want young proven talent. Thus, I would think said asset would vary based on on the team we would trade with.

    That being said, IMO I don't think we have a single best option. I guess Bev, considering he actually has some credentials to his name now. I have a hard time believing that the league FO's thinks NOP will be as bad as you do.
     
    #25 ChumpCity, Aug 14, 2014
  6. basketballholic

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    So, on Dec. 15th when Ariza becomes trade eligible, he'll garner more in assets back to us than the Pels pick??
     
    #26 basketballholic, Aug 14, 2014
  7. duluth111222

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    1. I don't think Rox have any intention to trade him

    2. Hypothetically, if we do trade him, I can see us trade him to a contender for their young prospects that said team doesn't have patience to develop plus pick/picks. And those are assets Morey can flip for something better later on. That has been the mojo of Morey.
     
    #27 duluth111222, Aug 14, 2014
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    Sorry...don't see it. Don't see how we can trade Ariza for better young prospects (if that's what you want to focus on) than we could trade the Pels pick for.
     
    #28 basketballholic, Aug 14, 2014
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    The difference is you're focusing on trading the NOP pick to a lotto team. Which do you think a contending team value more, Ariza, or a late lotto pick that may or may not pan out?
     
    #29 duluth111222, Aug 14, 2014
  10. Deuce

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    It all comes down to flexibility. The Pelicans picks is VERY LIKELY a lottery pick. And at worst is protected so it is no worse than #20. It is a liquid asset, just type of asset GMs love.

    The "Kyle Lowry" pick the Rockets got back from Toronto was the "lynch pin" to the James Harden trade. Lamb+Rox 1st were just sweeteners.
     
    #30 Deuce, Aug 14, 2014
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    Your Lowry example is actually exactly what we can do with Ariza. Not saying Ariza is as good as Lowry of course...
     
    #31 duluth111222, Aug 14, 2014
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    Mmmmmmm, no I'm not focusing on trading the NOP anywhere.


    You tell me....what player can you get for Ariza that you couldn't get a better player for the NOP pick.

    I'm not interested in what a contending team values more. The question is about what we can get back. Which asset will get us back the most valuable asset(s)?
     
    #32 basketballholic, Aug 14, 2014
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    So Ariza is more valuable in trade than Asik???
     
    #33 basketballholic, Aug 14, 2014
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    duluth111222 Member

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    I should have rephrased it to "you're focusing on what we can get from a lotto team".

    But that's exactly my point. I think we can get more valuable assets from a contending team by trading Ariza than the pick.
     
    #34 duluth111222, Aug 14, 2014
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    Different case: Asik has been demanding trades and is a goner one way or another. We don't have much leverage here.
     
    #35 duluth111222, Aug 14, 2014
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    Mmmmmmmm, no. I'm focusing on which asset we have that will yield us the best asset back.
     
    #36 basketballholic, Aug 14, 2014
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    I think the majority of us agree that the most valuable trade asset we have is the Pelies pick. I'm pretty sure Morey would agree with that.


    That being the case and knowing Morey is still looking for a 3rd best player (Ariza is not it, Parsons wasn't it)....then it makes sense that Morey won't trade that Pelies pick unless it is for that 3rd best player OR for a package of assets that have greater value and are growing in value while that pick loses value as the Pelies play and win more games.

    That's my point here.


    So...if Morey trades that pick in a deal for Goran,........you're looking at your big 3.
    Howard, Harden, Dragic vs. Lebron, Love, Kyrie or Duncan, Parker, Manu or Rose, Noah, Pau or name another team's big 3.

    This is why I'd like to be able to acquire one more really good player like Dragic, etc. WITHOUT giving up the Pelies pick. Because the Pelies pick combined with several non-guaranteed contracts like KPap's in 2015 and possibly Cisco Garcia's in 2015 and possibly a couple more small deals...may be just the ticket to getting a max free agent sign-and-trade deal done next summer.
     
    #37 basketballholic, Aug 14, 2014
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    I agree that it is imperative that we not give that up in the Dragic deal....for reasons stated above.
     
    #38 Plowman, Aug 14, 2014
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    Do I not recall you saying that Dragic's trade would come with an agreement that he would opt-out and resign to a preagreed contract next July?
     
    #39 xiki, Aug 14, 2014
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    The only way that can happen is if Jones and D-Mo make good progress against the big teams.
     
    #40 saleem, Aug 14, 2014
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