Well, Kanter has that great footwork/inside game/moves well without the ball...good touch..pedigree. He would seem to be the obvious choice...Going to be a helluva load down low for years....offensively. And Zeller is not and will not be in Kanter's league IMO. But DMo.......The guy's been on a different curve...and he's getting it. Donuts has always had great post moves, but has needed to grow into his body.... and have the chance to put them on display. Of course he's got the fullcourt demonspeed for a big guy.....and he DOES have an outside game...He just needs the minutes to bring out the consistency on that J. I honestly believe DMo will shoot 38-39% from downtown eventually. So, you have a player who is developing slower, but still, it's happening...great post moves,inside game/outside game that is there (just needs the burn)...and DEFENSIVELY..is going to be much better than most will believe. Now - Kanter DMo Zeller Eventually - DMo Kanter Zeller
Wow. Interesting. And I respect your opinion. I do differ however. I think the guy with the highest 2-way potential is Cody Zeller. I think the guy with the best offensive game now is Enes Kanter. Right now, Offensively 1. Kanter 2. DMo 3. Cody Kanter is just so strong and has great, great mits, combined with a sweet stroke. Just needs to put it all together. Kanter is a far superior player in the blocks to Dwight. His combination of strength and quickness is RARE. Defensively 1. Cody 2. DMo 3. Kanter Cody is already the best defender of the bunch and will only get better. DMo is improving. Kanter has shown very little defensive ability beyond post up strength. In the future Offensively 1. Kanter 2. Zeller 3. DMo All 3 guys will eventually be efficient corner 3-ball shooters. But Kanter's strength and super quick feet in the blocks....don't see how Zeller and DMo will ever get to his level offensively. But I like all 3 of their offensive potential. I think all 3 guys are plus offensive guys. Defensively 1. Zeller 2. DMo 3. Kanter In my opinion, this will be a blowout in favor of Zeller. I think DMo and Kanter will be at best overall mediocre defenders. And Zeller is going to continue to get better. I think he'll be a great defender within 2 seasons. Bottom line for me is I don't want to give up DMO....unless we're getting Zeller or Kanter back. And if we could trade for Zeller or Kanter..I'd give up DMo and other assets to get one of those 2 guys.
If you project them to have similar chances at becoming good players, then you go with the cheapest one. Right now, that's DMo since you already have him. I tend to agree that DMo will eventually be a good shooter.....hopefully within the next couple of years. And he is an underrated defender. Gives great energy on both ends of the court. He might be a better fit with Howard if he was more of a face up type guy, but there are other parts of his game that compliment. I have a feeling that DMo will get significant time this season. 20+ minutes per.
PM &/or BH: re: Kanter. Are either/both suggesting he would be best suited for KMc's and Dream's special tutelage?
They finished 25-57. LAST in the West. I never said they won't become solid NBA players, but nothing about that record says that they're good players at this point.
I can't see Kanter or Favors or any other other interior big working out in Houston unless it's to be our 6th man. Not enough space to operate inside for Howard or Harden. At this point, I'm just really hoping, praying really, that Jones and/or DMo finds a 3 point stroke and can hit at least 35% from 3 point line. I think if our PF can do that, this offense would be much more potent compared to last year.
For some 'odd' reason I pay less attention to the New Orleans er Utah Jazz than perhaps I should, but what is the general perception of what their plan is going forward with their slew of soon to be extendable contracts ala Hayward?
Kanter is not just an interior big. He can shoot the basketball out on the floor. In fact, he's a superior shooter to any big we have on the roster currently. Here's some footage of him throwing up 3's with Rubio: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/KpSZkvPfjrs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> And here's an old high school vid showing his stroke. Before you condemn this vid because it is high school just remember, the rim is still 10' high and a 23 footer is still a 23 footer. Just watch jumper stroke. Not all his post moves against midgets. But his stroke. It is very clear he knows how to shoot a basketball. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/l5kAZL0Q3ic" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Kanter has a very advanced offensive skill set. One thing I left out about Kanter though......he's had a good dose of the stupids early in his career. Plenty of evidence of it all over youtube. So while his offensive skill set is highly developed.....he hasn't shown a propensity for making consistently good decisions on the court.
And you've got major game BBH.... I just see DMo as a boom or bust player with the potential for sick all around game....and it appears he's not going to be a bust. He'll either be the best of that bunch or the worst...no middle ground as far as I see. That said, it's hard to argue with you at all about Kanter..... I do wonder about the outside game...and his D. I knew going into this conversation that you were really high on Zeller....and I understand why....lots of potential. All these guys should have good careers. Time will tell.
I dunno. Frankly, I don't think Dwight was suited for Hakeem's tutelage and I truly feel it was a waste of both Hakeem's and Dwight's time. Dwight's a power guy. Hakeem is a finesse guy. I just don't see it there. Kanter and Hakeem? Don't know. Don't know if they would jive. One of the things I question about Kanter is how teachable he is. He obviously developed this offensive game he has somewhere. And he has worked with Karl Malone in Utah. And I see his game as pretty much a split between Karl and Hakeem. He has Karl's power. He has very quick feet, similar to Hakeem. I suppose what I really feel about Kanter is if he would take off just a little weight and work on defensive footwork with Hakeem...I think that would be the best thing for him. I really don't think he needs more time spent on developing offensive skills. He needs to continue to improve his already sound shooting stroke through repetition and he needs more experience and help with on-court play and making good decisions. But the bulk of his skill development should come by being coached defensively by a top notch defensive big man. Somebody like Chuck Hayes since he has quick feet might be good. Or Hakeem of course.
BBH since you seem to have watched a lot of Kanter, what happened to him this year? He dropped off a lot after losing all that weight seeming like an upcoming really good center in his sophomore year. Just playing on the crappy Jazz or...?
I actually didn't start studying Kanter (and other bigs) until the past couple weeks when it became obvious that Kevin Love was off the table. But from what I have learned....Utah and Corbin did a poor job of putting Favors and Kanter in proper roles. Kanter came in as a center. But it is becoming more obvious to me that he will never be a great center because he's not a rim protector. So...what to do with him? Utah finally started experimenting with at the 4 and Favors at the 5 since Favors is far more advanced on the defensive end. And Utah is smart in the front office. They know they've got to have a rim protector at the 5 to win in the NBA. So the experiment began this year. But remember Utah had zero reason to win games last year though. They weren't going to feed Kanter the ball and work off him offensively, etc. They weren't trying to be good. And I think that is probably the biggest factor in Kanter's underperformance. Really they were just rolling out 5 guys and letting them find their way. And the emphasis was on who was gonna hustle on the defensive end. That's not Kanter's forte obviously.
Umm, Hakeem was a power player early in his career. He only went more finesse towards the latter half when he developed more low post moves and a jumper. As for the power forwards, I think we are missing general court awareness in the assessment. Zeller has that over DMo, Jones, and Kanter. The key is what would it take to get Zeller.
Kanter would be a good fit. He can hit the midrange and is great in the P&R. His game around the basket would be limited a little with Howard, but he'd still be effective and take a little pressure off Howard as the only interior scorer (since DMo hasn't really gotten going yet). He's 22 and has great size, but enough finesse that it could certainly work in a two towers type situation. The question is what would Utah want, and how much would Kanter want next year? (He's an RFA)
Agreed. Court awareness is Zeller hand's down. And to take it a step further, work ethic: Zeller DMo works hard. I just think he doesn't work on the right stuff. All that cranking down on the weights....and neglecting his jump shot last off season aggravated me. He knew we needed the corner 3-ball from him. He should've been putting up a thousand of those a day. Instead he's pumping iron and working on post moves. And we've got Dwight for that. Zeller is smarter than that. And he's already strong. With great springs. Zeller is working on basketball skills. Which will profit him a lot more in the long run than pumping iron and working on post moves that he already has down. That's one of the takeaways I have against both DMo and Kanter. I don't think they are as smart about their career progression as Zeller is.
That's not saying much, given how much fans here have wanted to upgrade at the position or want them to be able to shoot jumpers. Kanter's shooting ability is nowhere near the level of Patterson, Morris, Delfino, Parsons, or even Casspi when it comes to the stretch 4s Morey wants to use. He also doesn't have the speed on defense to cover mobile 4s either.
