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Rockets defense was better with Motiejunas as backup C than Asik...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bmd, Aug 7, 2014.

  1. sugrlndkid

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    Not intentionally being snarky, but sometimes the title of the thread may not necessarily reflect the OP's intent.

    I get that the OP is showing that the net defensive output with Asik on vs DMo on are almost identical, therefore losing Asik may not be that big of a deal as long as everything else is status quo...but the provided stats do not imply that "Rockets defense was better with Motiejunas as a backup C than Asik"...thats all
     
  2. RV6

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    Not you, some fans ;)

    But again, no one is saying Dmo is as good as Asik. I get why there's confusion, but if we keep rolling with that, in the end we just make the board look worse because people will remember this thread as "people think Dmo is a better defender than Asik".
     
  3. Deckard

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    I wish people would quit saying, "What is so and so goes down? And what happens if what's his name goes down? Oh god, what if they BOTH go down??"

    Bad juju, folks. All the Rockets are going to be in superb health throughout the season and into the playoffs. Keep thinking that. Let Morey, or Morey's maid, or Morey's lawn service worry about the other stuff.
     
  4. Joe Joe

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    With DMo at center, 105 points per 48 minutes per 82games.com. DMo is much better than Jones. When DMo played PF with Dwight or Asik, Rockets defense put up some very nice defensive numbers. At center, the best defensive lineup with DMo at center with at least 15 minutes game up 111 points per 100 possessions. Rockets averaged giving up 103 points per 100 possessions.

    All of DMo's good defensive minutes at center came in lineups limited to 12 or less minutes. A lot of those were scrub type lineups suggesting they were most likely playing scrub type of lineups.
     
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  5. Remii

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    Except when they do. And those stats are lying to you buddy. Lying their @$$ off.
     
  6. rox4lyf

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    Is the OP serious? I'm calling it the dog days of summer. Nothing better to discuss than just throwing bold stuff out there and seeing what sticks.
     
  7. bmd

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    Defensive rating was better with D-Mo as the back-up. That's where the thread title came from.

    And the very first thing I mentioned in my post was "or at least it was virtually the same..."
     
  8. bmd

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    Touche.

    And I'm not comparing D-Mo and Asik straight-up.

    I'm comparing the overall defensive output with them as back-ups. All I was saying is that the overall defensive rating was virtually the same regardless of who the back-up was.

    Meaning, the back-up center position may not be as important as people think.

    That's all I was arguing, and the stats reflect that.
     
  9. napalm06

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    One thing about DMo is that he isn't afraid of the wolves.
     
  10. Joe Joe

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    No, you aren't. You are cherry picking stats using other players performances to mask how bad DMo is defensively at center. DMo was used most as backup center during 9 games when Dwight was down, but your stats include those atrocities as Asik at backup center.
     
  11. bmd

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    So who was playing back-up center during the 2 months when Asik was hurt?
     
  12. kmart9419

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    D-Mo as a defensive force, LOL. He can't block, can't rebound and gets pushed around. Asik is 1,000,000x the better defender.
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    We don't have Asik and DMo is 1,000,000X better than any big man defender not named Howard on the roster.
     
  14. KlutchQT

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    That's not saying much. But if Dorsey changes this, I'll be satisfied.
     
  15. Htownballer38

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    I don't know about that one Bobby, ole Dorsey might be a lot better.
     
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    A lot of times? Terrance Jones. Some Greg Smith. A lot of games DMo either didn't play at all or played far too sparingly to conclude anything. 3/4s of those games he played 10 or less minutes. About half of them he DNP'd. DMo didn't start playing significant minutes until the end of January, despite Asik being out for all of December and January.
     
  17. Aleron

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    That's the thing with backup center, you're often playing against a scrub lineup as a scrub lineup, rim protection isn't so important because the scrubs aren't driving anyway.

    It's when Dwight gets in foul trouble or sits a few games that he will be missed, because then you need to move up the order to play the non scrubs.
     
  18. kmart9419

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    Rockets in a lot of trouble this coming season. Nba reject Dorsey is not gonna do a thing.
     
  19. RV6

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    That's a good point, but you're half right. Dmo actually played significant minutes in nearly half the games Asik missed during that stretch. He started getting minutes earlier in January, not at the end. Overall, he played over 12 mins in 14 of the 30-31 games Asik was out.
     
  20. bmd

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    Regardless of who was playing back-up center... my point is that it didn't really matter much who was playing in that spot. It didn't have much of an impact on the amount of games won or defensive statistics such as defensive rtg or opp. fg%.
     

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