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Ray Allen talking with Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mikeyharris, Jul 16, 2014.

  1. TheresTheDagger

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    In Ray Allen's case, chasing money doesn't necessarily mean ONLY contract money.

    His ability to get endorsement deals and a future job outside of basketball relies heavily on his media exposure which would CERTAINLY be higher in Cleveland than Houston. Let also not forget to mention a bigger share of PLAYOFF MONEY, lifestyle, friendships, familiarity with teammates, and team role and their impact on the final decision.
     
  2. KlutchQT

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    Serious post? Because he was also the first person to say he no longer thought Cleveland was likely, less than 48 hours before the announcement came.
     
  3. The Cat

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    It's been pretty well debunked that "endorsement" earnings mean anything, unless you're LeBron James or Kevin Durant. Sorry, a 39-year-old Ray Allen isn't going to be much of an endorser even if he's on Broadway and playing for a loaded Knicks team.

    And if you think Allen's ability to get a future job outside of basketball would be enhanced or hindered in any way based on his upcoming decision, you have absolutely no clue of how those jobs are handed out. Ray Allen's stature is quite secure, regardless of what he does.

    Also, as far as stuff like "lifestyle" and "friendships", Allen has gone out of his way himself to stress that money is a big factor. So why don't you let him speak for himself?

    What are you talking about? Chris Sheridan was the first to say definitively that LeBron was going back to Cleveland. SI's Lee Jenkins had the actual scoop from LeBron himself. Broussard was all over the map. He decided to "break" that Cleveland was the "frontrunner" several hours after the entire world knew that Dan Gilbert's plane was in South Florida on Sunday night. Then, 12 hours before LeBron went public and literally simultaneous to when was telling Wade (that he was leaving) on the late Thursday plane flight, Broussard tweeted this:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>This is getting very interesting. Definitely not at 85 pct for Cavs anymore :)</p>&mdash; Chris Broussard (@Chris_Broussard) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/statuses/487449683330338816">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    Broussard wasn't the "1st to say" anything. He was the same buffoon he's always been, passing along news from other sources as his own, making random guesses based on outside reports, and whoring himself out to Rich Paul for the outside shot of a morsel here or there.
     
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  4. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Don't feed the troll Cat.
     
  5. pwnyxpress

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    But troll cats feed on the insecurities of others! How would the majestic beasts continue to survive?
     
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  6. B-Bob

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    I don't know, man.
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  7. ElPigto

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    Most definitely, which is why I referred to him as sauces man to make sure my post wasn't thought of as serious. I get Cat though, some people can be just over the top on the crap they type.
     
  8. HardenWay

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    The back up point guard spot is still open. We don't have to play Daniels as part of the rotation.

    Allen won't play every single game and his minutes would be limited. Face it, we need more shooting and a veteran in that guard spot.
     
  9. redhotrox

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    Wasn't sure how legit this is, but it's coming from a Greek basketball writer who's followed by Marc Stein and Marc Spears...
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Gr8 news for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Greek?src=hash">#Greek</a> bball. <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonRockets">@HoustonRockets</a> sign Kostas Papanikolaou for 2 yrs (9.4 mil.$), after Ray Allen declined their offer on Friday.</p>&mdash; Nikos Papaioannou (@ndpapaioannou) <a href="https://twitter.com/ndpapaioannou/statuses/498152341397569536">August 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  10. Haymitch

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    Makes sense. Were I Allen, I'd only go to a title contender or retire.
     
  11. J.R.

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    Ray Allen to wait until September to decide on future

    [rQUOTEr]UNCASVILLE, Conn.— Former Miami Heat star Ray Allen said he is not ready to announce a decision about playing a 19th season.

    "It's August and I don't want to rush to judgment," Allen said Friday night at the seventh annual Jim Calhoun Charity All-Star Classic. "I want to get to September and see how I really feel."[/rQUOTEr]
     
  12. Play07

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    Lol morey probably threw the $4.8 Mle at him still didn't wanna come, when Ray was saying money might play a part in his decision, he meant money from the top 5 contenders, and established vet teams
     
  13. Cstyle42

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    Allen is not playing in the west either.
     
  14. pmac

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    No one would ever buy that product again...

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  15. Richie_Rich

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    This.

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  16. Airdough

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    The only teams clearly ahead of Houston right now are the Cavs, Spurs, Clippers, and Thunder. Bulls, Warriors, Blazers, Mavs, Griz are all in the same spot as Houston. To say this roster doesn't have the potential last years did isn't true.
     
  17. Carl Herrera

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    My guess is that one pretty important factor here relates to the structure of the contract offer and the likelihood of being used as a trade asset.

    A player like Ray Allen or Shawn Marion likely values a say in where he plays and which teammates he plays with at this late stage of his career. In other words, if these guys sign with Houston, Cleveland, Clippers or whatever "good" team is coming ofter them, they don't want to be used as a trade asset/salary balance piece and sent to some horrible tanking team in the middle of the season.

    And if Morey offered Allen or Marion the exact contract that he offered to Kostas Papanikalaou-- 1st year $4.8M guaranteed with 2nd year team option/non-guaranteed-- this risk of being used as a trade piece is very real. If the Rockets are going to trade for a "third star" who makes a substantial salary (especially if it exceeds the amount that the Lin TPE can take in), they will need to send out substantial salary as well, and a $4.8M salary guaranteed only for the upcoming season would be a convenient piece to put in. This is good flexibility for the team to have, but is unappealing to the player, especially for guys like Allen and Marion who care about where they play and not just much they get paid.
     
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  18. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    CH, well put.
     
  19. TexasRedd

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    I would put the Bulls ahaead of Houston too but I agree with the rest.
     
  20. zeeshan2

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Source: Ray Allen has told those close to him that he'll play next season. Cleveland frontrunner but not 100 pct definite</p>&mdash; Chris Broussard (@Chris_Broussard) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/statuses/498223242973573120">August 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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