Agreed. We don't have the assets to trade for a 3rd star or the cap space. The only thing that can be done now is acquire players that can help us win now while picking up more value in assets until an opportunity arises. This is a good incremental move.
At $12m/season for two seasons at the age of 33 I'll pass. If it were closer to $8m/season I'd love to have him. However I would hate to see us lock up that much cap space in a player who is old and shown signs of declining while taking ourselves out of the FA market in 2015 and getting no better trade assets. George Hill, OTOH, could be a very nice piece. Decent 3pt shooter, excellent asst/to ratio, good defender, good size and has spent his career with two teams with excellent culture of winning. At just 28 years old and $8m/season I doubt the Pacers think he's someone they should trade, but I would love to have that guy. I think he would fit like a love, raise his trade value and ultimately be a better trade piece than our bunch of non-guaranteed contracts or our TPE. Look at, say, the Hawks. Could a package of George Hill and D-Mo net us Paul Millsap before the deadline? I think it's possible.
I think your highly overrating George Hill, for instance, I would rank Jeremy Lin as a better player then Hill. Lin and Hill have pretty similar stats, and contract cap hits, except Hill has an extra year on his deal, Lin cost 15 million (cap hit of 8 million though). So some may put Hill as slightly more valuable then Lin, but IMO he's certainly not far more valuable then Lin. Side comment - I'd like to note it's also possible to trade for both West and Hill, as we could use Lin's TPE on Hill. Gee, Motiejunas, Hopson, Powell and Covington for West and Hill(TPE)? That would be a 18.5 million salary dump for the Pacers, pretty crazy. We'd be basically replacing Lin with Hill, Parsons with Ariza, and Asik with West lol.
I don't give a crap about Lin either way? He's just a turnover prone bonehead who I'm glad to see the backup because he seems to choke down the stretch. But if you think a $15m contract, which is going to require multiple assets to bribe someone to take it, is more useful than allowing a team to ditch $8.4m in salary with no returns, then I don't know what to say to you? The only scenario where Lin's contract is more useful is in the area of salary matching. But who would take back $15m just to salary match? He's not much of a throw in, and it would cost us a pick (already proven) - just to make it 'giveaway' value. Why would the Pacers accept Lin (who makes $15m) as part of a package to ditch the salary of West (who makes $12m). Please, enlighten me??? The TPE is more valuable, because we can use it to absorb a contract (eg Dragic), while sending back just multiple picks. And we could easily set up concurrent trades, where we take an unwanted reserve, and send back talents.
make sense for Pacers, If West is the best PF available, do it Morey, unlikely getting any star anyway.
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it would be horrible to use our TPE and draft pick on a guy with maybe 1 year left in the tank. we need an athletic PF who can rotate well to make up for our poor perimeter defense.
I like where your head's at with capitalizing off the Pacers' misfortune. Seriously. But, IMO, the Rockets don't need to gamble like that on a dude that has about another good year in him. Trust in the young guys, don't just trade them away before you have a chance to develop them.
There were rumors after the playoffs that Larry Bird may radically reshape the roster. It is extremely unfortunate that the PG injury would be the catalyst for change but I think the fanbase would understand a makeover/mini rebuild of sorts. The Pacers could work a sign and trade sending Hibbert to the Suns for Bledsoe. They could also send out Hill and West in a multi team trade to acquire Greg Monroe. They have possibilities and need to get younger and more athletic because a new big three in Cleveland and rejuvenated Rose in Chicago will leave the Pacers behind with or without PG.
I would definitely like him to don the ketchup and mustard. Top hard nosed defender, no bs taking guy. Would he get along with Dwight and James, I think so. I would like to see what his cap hit is like, and then decide what kind of trade package Larry Bird would accept. RED NATION all the way
We passed on Chandler Parsons to have the flexibility to get 'third star' David West (who, incidentally, wouldn't have needed that flexibility to acquire anyway)? I'm not exactly overwhelmed here.
Would you rather have: Howard/West/Ariza/Harden/Bev + TJones, Johnson, Daniels, Canaan For the next 1-2 years with flexibility or Howard/TJones/Parsons/Harden/Bev + Ariza, Johnson, Daniels, Canaan, DMo For the next 2-3 years with no flexibility The former offers a more defensive team, but is lacking in terms of a 2nd offensive creator, a bench and SF depth. The latter offers the same potent offense with the flexibility to add a defensive wing if necessary, but offers no solution for guarding bigger 4's and would limit the rest of Dwight's prime within this roster. It's a tough decision for sure.
Why does so many people feel that Harden is our ONLY creator? Do they not realize that Howard can also create for the offense as well?
No. Hell no, to West! He's overpaid, overrated defensively, soft, weak on the boards, and has no J.....
In general a creator should be able to dribble the ball. Dwight may have a decent post game, but he is so dependent on where he receives the entry pass that it fails to meet the criteria of dependable offensive creator. With our roster, he has shown some ability to pass out of the post, but nothing consistent enough to be a viable option. Look back to his Orlando days. He was surrounded by lethal shooters at every position. Even then, he had Hedo and Jameer Nelson as excellent creators. Bottom line: can he create? Sure. Is he a viable 2nd creator on a contender? I don't think so.
I like the idea of getting George Hill. Plundering their roster is a good idea at this point. I really would have killed for us to get Stevenson at the same $$$ he got from Charlotte.
How viable he becomes as a 2nd scorer depends on how willing he is to run the PnR more. An entry pass is not needed for a PnR play.
