You keep saying DE and I keep saying pass rusher. You have to generate a pass rush in the NFL. Sherman was a rookie, and their QB was Tavaris Jackson and they still put up a respectable record despite having garbage at QB for most of the year. Well I think Seattle would be a dyansty if they had Rodgers. It's pointless to argue though because we'll never know. With that said that defense is the heart of that team and Earl Thomas and Sherman are the heart of that defense. Wilson is a gamer because he makes big plays when the team needs them but without that defense they are just at most a mediocre team.
What makes you think Seattle doesn't have that now with Russell...??? Russell has been ballin and winning his 1st 2 years and Rodgers was sitting on his @** for his 1st 3 years... And Rodgers got to take over a playoff caliber team that Favre called the best he ever played on and has only advanced in the playoffs twice... And if Rodgers couldn't survive behind the Green Bay offensive line last season _ he definitely wouldn't have survived behind that Seattle offensive line in the NFC west. I've already stated this so we're on the same page. The difference is you're under the assumption that finding a quarterback that can do that is easy when in actuality it's not many quarterbacks in the NFL that can be counted on to make a play when their team needs it. There's only a select few and Russell is one of them. We're talking about a kid who has only thrown 1 interception in 5 playoff games with just two years in the league. His arrow is pointing straight up.
I did read your post, I know you stated that you wouldn't make the trade. I wouldn't do it either...but in my first post, I never stated that you wanted to trade Watt. We are on the same page. The point I was trying to make was that, just like you, I don't consider Ryan as an "Elite QB" on the level of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees. Again, I agree with your post that we should not even consider this at all, and that we both agree that Ryan isn't in that elite category.
Don't think Green Bay was ever as deep as Seattle this millennium. Seattle was 9th in ppg in 2013 and relied on the rushing game quite a bit more than average. I would obviously want Seattle's roster and coaching staff, not because the QB is elite. Very few players to trade Watt for at this point.
Aaron Rodgers is better than Russell Wilson. Seattle just has a better defense. Defense matters? Amazing.
JJ watt, Clowney and Cush have a chance to be a special group. If we can add one more stud piece, or if guys like Mercelus, Reed and Jameson step up , we'll be strong up front. I'm worried about inside LB and NT given injured Nix, but we'll see. Happy to take my chances with the QB class in next years draft. Looking forward to locking up Watt next offseason and many years of Watt Clowney havoc!
Russell was still top 10 in passing TD's, top 12 in completion percentage, top 4 in yards per pass, top 7 in QBR, only 9 interceptions, and when you add in Russell's rushing attempts and rushing yards that makes up for the lack of passing because he was #13 amongst QB's in gross yards _ with no offensive line (he was sacked the 2nd most times in the league _ 51) and practically no receiving core (and Lynch isn't very good at catching the ball out the backfield either). And Seattle's scoring offense was ranked 22-23 in the league without Russell and it has been ranked 8-9 in the league with Russell. The "Russell doesn't pass enough" excuse is a lazy evaluation of his quarterback play. This year Russell supposedly will have a healthy Harvin and Seattle also drafted Paul Richardson who's a D-Jax/Hilton type receiver so we'll see if his passing game picks up more to people's liking now that he actually has more receiving options to throw to. Well then there should be no reason at all that the Texans should miss the playoffs this year with Fitzpatrick playing QB. We have Foster so the offense can just run the ball and hardly throw like Seattle did.
Your logic doesn't follow. Watt out there with a bunch of pee wee players isn't going to the playoffs. Neither is Wilson.
The Texans drafted the consensus #1 defensive player in the draft who people refer to as a once in a generation prospect in Clowney. They also have Cushing back healthy and another #1 pick in the front 7 in Merciless (that defense is full of 1st and 2nd round picks)... If J.J. is just as valuable as a quarterback _ his play from the DE position should elevate the other players around him. So there's no reason the Texans shouldn't have a dominate defense this season.
LOL, Remii always takes the side opposite to the the majority of Clutchfans. Quit feeding the troll if you don't want to hear it.
We could always just agree with the crazy takes he makes and force him to keep changing his position.
Yes... The majority of clutchfans think Russell had nothing to do with helping Seattle win a super bowl and he's no different from Mark Sanchez and I think differently. Good thing is all of this is settled on the field.
Honestly, I agree with you. I think Wilson is one of the smartest QB's in the league. He has the legs to run but unlike manziel he is a pass first QB who runs when he needs to. I cannot count how many times I was sure the play was blown up and over and he would run to get the 1st down or somehow hit an open receiver to fix everything. Excellent game manager. Plus he had a lot of offensive practice and chances cuz his defense kept getting him the ball back immediately. HOWEVER, I do think that you are a bit on the negative / Debbie downer side a lot. I understand that is your position, it just sucks when people are trying to talk up this season and why they are excited then have you respond with how bad everything will be.. gets old.
Who won the MVP for Seattle in the Super Bowl? Who is their best player? Which side of the ball are they stronger in? Now ask yourself the same thing for the 49ers.
"Unlike Manziel" Cool. Might want to check out who was 8th in the NCAA in passing last year as well as 4th in passing TDs. I would wait for the guy to play an NFL game before you decide where he falls. Could be a bust, starter, star... but I promise you he will throw first. Much like the did in College
See that's where I disagree, he's not a "pass first" QB, he's a "hand the ball off first game manager", you can't be "pass first" and consistently stay at the bottom of the NFL in passing attempts. Credit the coaching for not asking him to do too much and keeping his numbers respectable but Wilson isn't much more than a small version of Alex Smith. The Seahawks live and die by their run game and defense.
He might have looked to pass it in college, but he had way more time and still had probably the most scrambles. Now cut that time in half going against stronger, faster defenses, lost their #1 WR... Im betting he is scrambling for his life right after the hike. That is not to say he wont be successful, im not calling him a bust before he plays a game, but I bet he will be running it too much. I guess I am not doing a good job of explaining it, I don't think he is pass first, you are right he just hands it off, Im not sure how to explain it, I think he just did a lot of making things happen when I thought the play was over. However I was a big fan of their defense (had them in fantasy) and give almost all the credit to them. Wilson just didn't turn the ball over very much (smart player)
