I don't deny life to anyone. I also don't think that my views are so correct that I believe they should be forced on everyone in the country. Sadly, you would force yours on half the population, a position which is beyond repugnant.
You don't think your views are so correct.... but you are butchering unborn children? Watch: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/BtpdYlcbVRQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Proof that abortion kills humans: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/rEQR1-1OXK4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
My position encourages and allows women to make their own decisions for what happens in their body based on their own personal morality. I am perfectly comfortable taking responsibility for what my position allows, because it allows women to choose for themselves without interference from people who would force their morality on others.
You only see what you want to see. That is very empowering for you! I can admit to what you don't like about my position, but you cannot and will not do the same for my position because it then flies in the face of your comfortable denial.
What was that about not owning your statements and beliefs: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=9164032&postcount=338 If someone who was not set in their their opinion wandered by D&D and saw this discussion, I suspect few would be swayed by your arguments. I know I wouldn't be...
Even if we were to concede a fertilized egg/fetus of X age is a BABY. Fully human, all cute and helpless it still requires an established human being to support is inside it's body at risk of death. We wouldn't compel a serial killer to donate a perfect match kidney to a cancer researcher on the cusp of finding a cure. Why should we compel a woman to nourish an embryo living parasitically inside her? Except this is America and we like to punish women for having sex out of wedlock or for not wanting a limitless number of babies.
As do you. It is extremely empowering to know that I am supporting individual rights as opposed to allowing the State to compel a woman to carry a pregnancy to term. I believe that women are FAR more empowered with their freedom of choice intact. No denial at all. I am fully aware of exactly what is going on. However, my morality doesn't match yours, so you can't expect my perspective to match your own, nor can you compel me (or anyone else) to follow your morality.
Yes, you have shown your true colors I think. You equate the choice between a zygote and a 5 year old girl as the same between choosing two types of **** that are no different. Ok, so it's the same - you basically just answered that a zygote = 5 year old girl. I find that crazy. I think you need to look up rational in the dictionary. Rational isn't about "assuming" or "notion" - it's about facts and deductive reason. You have to demonstrate the logic - and you have not done that. No, one side wants to impose it's framework on all women. That other wants women to use their own moral framework. I have not. I am not using science here. I am using my moral framework. Science has nothing to do with it. Logic does. Logic says that people should have control over their bodies. Logic says that "life" is an arbitrary definition. Logic says that when a zygote gets pushed out of a woman's vag and flushed down the toilet because she doesn't even realize what is happening or that she was pregnant - that no one throws a bloody funeral for said zygote. I choose to give woman the ability to use their own conscious on what is a very personal decision, instead of letting a bunch of old white men who believe in a religion that I don't to make that decision.
See, I didn't first say it... I referenced it, but it is what it is-- makes life easier. That's what the Aztecs were shooting for.
What is "fully human?" There are all kind of broken people in the world: aging, disabled, ill. Many of them require human assistance to survive, long term even. If I'm not mistaken, the woman knew where the location of that child was going to be if she conceived. And more than likely she participated in its conception. It's a wacky world when living up to an obligation to raise the children you conceive is a PUNISHMENT.
Oh, horse****.... you have a conniption fit if I call the fetus a "baby." You disavow the human baby's rights because it is not yet born. Empowering yeah! Seems more like bullying....
I was not equating. I was showing how your game of forced choice worked. My deduction is that every conception can result in the birth of a human creation and nothing else, so it is logical to posit that the creation is human all along... since things don't just turn into other things spontaneously. You do know that that requires magic of some sort? It's not JUST about women. More than half of those dead babies are little women. 1. Just calling it a "zygote" is using your inherited scientific framework! 2. Logic says that people should not harm other people's bodies. 3. How can she throw a "bloody funeral" for someone or something she didn't know was happening? Proof that you are just going to say whatever you want... without regard to my expressed positions.
You want to force your beliefs onto women who don't agree with your beliefs. This is the true statement. You want women not to have control of their bodies to satisfy your believe that a zygote is a little person. What more is there to argue about?
Quit overstating things. I really have no desire to control women's bodies but I am shocked, disheartened and dismayed to learn that there are those who would kill their own children in utero so as not to have to raise them. I didn't start this! Are there any laws with which you would prefer not to obey? We all have to compromise. I can navigate a road safely at 60 but the State asks me to limit myself to 35 because there are other people to consider. Okay. I get it. What I want is for children in utero to be protected. That trumps any other concern-- less health risk to the mother.
