Bobby, I agreed with everything you said up until the last point. A civilians innocence is not determined by their voting practices.
Interesting. I hope you back that statement up with something intelligent. They wouldn't dare commit genocide? I agree. So why do people keep saying that's what they are doing? Agreed, but then again, if they wanted to, they'd be finished with it long before anyone could react to it so I guess it's a really good thing that's not what they want to do. The moronic Palestinians who kept firing rockets at Israel give them plenty of reason to wage war and it wasn't a false pretext. Fortunately they had legitimate reasons....you know, the hundreds of rockets that are fired at Israel. Are you suggesting that they aren't doing that? No, no one "causes" someone to smuggle in weapons in an effort to commit terrorist strikes on a civilian population. So having one objective means that you can't have more? Again, electing a terrorist government has consequences.
That's fair, but the way I see it, in a democracy, since the government is of the people, the people are responsible for the actions of the government they put in power....no matter who you voted for. If there were some kind of kingdom or dictatorship, you can blame everything on the government that is separate from the people, but in a democracy, the people and the government are one.
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Already did. Shame you cannot do the same. Let's rephrase that. They wouldn't dare commit genocide on that scale. React to prevent, there would still be a reaction that would probably see the political destruction of the state of Israel. If you're going to occupy another person's territory, expect resistance. If I come onto your property and attempt to steal your car and you pull out your gun, I can't claim self-defense. Please employ some logic. Oh please. The Iron Dome system is capable of taking out every single rocket fired into southern Israel. They purposefully don't take down a small percentage when they know the rockets won't cause much damage. They then answer back disproportionately. Educate yourself on the principle of proportionately in relation to international humanitarian law. I don't need to suggest it, it is evidenced by this current conflict and the previous Operation Cast Lead. They force Palestinians to obtain basic human needs through these tunnels by collectively punishing the Gazans. The vast majority of items that come through these tunnels are NOT weapons. What direct military advantage does Israel gain by or anticipate to gain by taking out the only power plant in Gaza? Your justification is no different than the same idiots who try to justify 9/11 ("Americans voted for a government that did x, y, and z in all these countries"). How ironic and pathetic that you share their same line of thinking.
You really are clueless. KSM/OBL both tried to justify 9/11 by saying Americans voted for a government that's foreign policy ended up killing millions. How nice of you to share their views.
Aside from Bobby's shared ideology with Osama bin Laden/Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, Israel just killed 17 civilians and wounded another 150+ by intentionally bombing a market in the district of Shejaiya... after calling a 4 hour truce.
No they aren't. Let's ignore the fact that even in a democracy where the only requirement to win an election is a majority win which would entail that up to 49.9% of the population did not vote for the current elected officials. There are still large segments of the population that do not vote such as children. There is also the notion that an elected government can break promises held during elections thus the government's views would not reflect the civilian population.
No, it was fine the way it was, they don't commit genocide. Well sure, but the point is that they could if they wanted to....they clearly don't want to. Context. Why do the Israelis occupy Palestinian lands? As a result of wars waged against the Israelis. If you attack someone and fail, there are consequences. Please employ logic with proper context. Why do they fire them if they "know" they can't get through? Constant acts of war seem sort of foolish if Israel really was capable of stopping every single one of them. Also the assertion that they intentionally allow rockets to make it through is baseless. Do you even know what you are talking about? You are quoting the principle of proportionality which states that an attack is "excessive" if the attack is launched on a military objective in the knowledge that the incidental civilian injuries would be clearly excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage. Again, that is subjective, what is "clearly excessive"? What is the anticipated military advantage? If you don't have those answers, you don't have a case. Maybe it's you that should educate yourself on the subject. They aren't "forced" to, they choose to. If they had better relations with their neighbors, things would be better for them. Do you have the intel report on that plant or are you just speaking out of ignorance? I don't, so I won't. I certainly understand their thinking, but that doesn't justify a terrorist strike against an entirely civilian target now does it? Talking about collateral damage in a military offensive isn't the same as a terrorist strike against a civilian target.
The point is they don't want to because they fear the repercussions. Employ some reading comprehension please. Wars waged by Arab nations outside of Israel and Palestine... 50 years ago. It is the oldest occupation that currently exists today. Even the US doesn't occupy Iraq and Afghanistan anymore. Employ some common sense please. Red herring. Again, it's not act of war. It's resistance against an occupation. Baseless? Displaying your ignorance again: http://nation.time.com/2012/11/19/iron-dome-a-missile-shield-that-works/#ixzz2Ci0JS7Us The senior Israeli official says the system’s battle management software is sensitive enough to monitor the trajectory of incoming missiles. “It distinguishes whether it is going to hit downtown or an open field,” he says. “If it’s going to hit an open field we don’t shoot at it.” At least properly quote international law: Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited. There is no direct military advantage anticipated or gained by destroying the only power plant in Gaza. It is also a violation of the principle of distinction. They are forced to because the only other option would be death by starvation. You really are clueless. Weird, you seem to speak out of ignorance the majority of the time. The power plant is a civilian infrastructure and provides electricity not only to the civilians, but also the medical facilities that rely on such electricity to run. Destroying the power plant does not, in any way, hinder Hamas and other groups' capabilities to fire indiscriminate rockets at Israel. Completely disingenuous. It is not collateral damage if it is specifically targeted. But how nice of you to 'understand' the thinking of your ideological companions, Osama bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
Does it matter why they aren't doing it? They aren't doing it....so stop accusing them of it. Honestly it's like I'm speaking to a child. So in your mind the Palestinians weren't involved in any of the wars against Israel? In your mind they aren't basically still involved in a war against Israel? I don't mind if you are spewing this nonsense out of ignorance, but it feels more like propaganda and rhetoric. LOL, okay, in your mind firing rockets at your neighbors isn't an act of war? Foolish things like the rocket attacks is why they got occupied to begin with, responding with more of the same isn't going to change anything, it just shows that there is still a need for it. Oh, so you were just talking about the rockets that were going to hit open fields and not rockets that were on pace to hit any populated area? Fair enough. Still doesn't change the fact that a few can still get by unintentionally if there are enough rockets fired at once. Again, you are speaking out of ignorance unless you have the intel report on that site....I'm going to guess you don't. Another crazy option would be to get along with their neighbors and stop being a terrorist nation. I know, crazy, they'd never do that. Yet again, you don't have the intel report on the plant, you don't have the first clue why it was attacked and if there was a reason for it or not, you are merely assuming that there was no reason to attack it. Sorry if I don't really value your assumptions made out of ignorance. And yet again, you don't know exactly what was "specifically targeted" more baseless ignorant speculation and assumption along with laughable rhetoric. Do better.
Comedy of errors here. Do not speak of that which you know little of bobby. You're making a fool of yourself.
LOL, oh what irony coming from someone who earlier was going on about how there wasn't a 2 state solution in '37....So far you've been one of the least informed on this entire thread and that's really doing something.
I never stated Israel commits genocide, genius. Learn to read. All I did was point out your moronic argument that Israel isn't committing genocide because it's not done on a large scale all at once. It's like you don't have any common sense. The Arab-Israeli War and the Six Day War were fought by Israel and neighboring countries. Palestinians accounted for 0.5% of that resistance. At least educate yourself before shamelessly displaying your ignorance on the subject. Firing rockets on the country that is occupying your territory is an act of resistance. Military occupation is an act of war (Hague Convention). More ignorance from someone who knows nothing about the historical context of the situation. Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip after the 1948 war. Israel occupied them after the Six Day War. Palestinian resistance began well over a decade after this occupation by Israel. The official clearly states they don't intercept some rocket because they won't cause much or any damage. If they didn't let a few in, they wouldn't have their false pretext to disproportionately attack Gaza. What a ridiculous requirement. Do you have the intel report on the World Trade Centers? No, so according to you OBL/KSM were justified in 9/11. Except the blockade was put in place only because Hamas was voted into a majority in the legislative in elections seen fair by the rest of the world. The response in collectively punishing all the population of Gaza is asinine (but I can see why someone who think it's legitimate to kill a million innocent civilians would agree with that r****ded sentiment). There is no requirement for an intel report. The power plant is a civilian infrastructure. It has no direct military advantage for Israel. It does not hinder any of the militants' capabilities to indiscriminately attack Israel. Getting such simple concepts seems to be incredibly difficult for you. How does that negate the idiocy of your contention that it was 'collateral damage'? It is already known it was specifically targeted because they did the same thing in 2006 (how convenient of you to remain ignorant of this). Majority of the leadership in Israel has consistently wanted to collectively penalize the population of Gaza by cutting their water and electricity supply. Netanyahu has already stated they wouldn't do it from their end because they can't justify it. So they do it at the other end 'by accident'. But please, go on remaining ignorant and then acting like you know anything about the situation. You're a joke.
Just saw this posted on facebook. Can anyone here translate it? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=817888401562670
That's not accurate. The Zionists and people who would be Israel started occupying Palestinian lands in the moths just before there was an Israel. They continued to occupy and expand their settlements based on their desire for the choicest land and expansion and not simply as a reaction to being attacked.
So then we agree, Israel isn't committing genocide and the people who suggest that they are are fools? We're making progress. So the Palestinians were part of the wars against Israel just like I said, glad we agree. Well this would be the propaganda Hamas would spread to justify their actions, but no matter what you want to call it, the reason the Israelis are there is because the Palestinians are stupid enough to keep attacking them. Also it's nice that you are agreeing with me that the lands are occupied as a result of wars. More acts of war only prove the need to occupy the land. They don't disproportionately attack Gaza now and the mere firing of rockets are plenty reason to invade....they are an act of war. How many rockets would he US allow Mexico to fire into southern California before they went in to eliminate the threat? 10 maybe? No I don't, are you suggesting there was a military target there? Also, there is a difference between a terrorist group and a military action carried out by a nation state, the fact that I have to explain that to you is pretty sad. I've said numerous times that voting in a terrorist government has consequences. Those consequences are felt by everyone, it's just the nature of how things work. If the people of Canada voted in a terrorist orgainization to run their government that had a stated goal of destroying America and had a long history of terrorist attacks on the US then they'd be feeling some pretty harsh consequences for that foolish action just like the Palestinians are. There really is though, a school is just a school till you fill it with rockets and munitions, then it becomes a military target. When you have a terrorist government with a history of hiding weapons and other military assets behind civilian targets you need an intel report. See above. So are you saying that you don't think there was a 2 state solution proposed in 1937 and rejected by the Palestinians? You are good at propaganda, I'll give you that, but you fail when it comes to history that doesn't fit your narrative. The Peel Commission is pretty hard to spin so it's not surprising that you'd act like it didn't exist. Once there was an internationally recognized country of Israel, the land became theirs, before that it was British land, before that it was Ottoman land, it was never "Palestinian land". Land changes hands all the time.
Palastinian die today for better tomoro for their childern .. Isrealis want to live today and let their children deal with it tomoro.. This explain why they can't think out of the box and repeats the same crimes over and over.. Einstein once defined stupidity as: repeating the same experiments & expecting different results!
