You are being so disingenuous here. The Islamic Resistance Movement is Hamas according to your link. Hamas. The charter in 1988 (covenant) refers to Hamas as the Islamic Resistance Movement and then explains that the movement has been going for however long even before the founding of Hamas. Article One in the covenant of Hamas uses the term Islamic Resistance Movement. From your direct link: Article 1: And then here, in Article 7, from your direct link, is the one you said doesn't exist: Article 7:
Yes they do. But that wasn't what you said. If you had said that, you would be right and it's a travesty. It's clear you'd rather get into a back and forth of posting what right wing extremists in Israel and Palestine teach their children about murdering Jews/Arabs. We all have youtube. I have no interest in that. You stated that it is the goal of Hamas the organization by aiming for destruction of ISRAEL that it wants to murder all Jews. It is not. You are wrong. In fact, it can not be true because 25% of Israel is Muslims, and therefore killing all Jews would not destroy the state of Israel - which is one of its stated goals. The destruction of Israel as a goal can only be achieved by the dissolution of the Israeli government as a registered nation state. There are many ways to achieve this. One of those ways is to kill all the Jews and then convince all the Muslims with superior rights to submit to Hamas. For you to automatically assume this to be the goal of Hamas is speculative, ignorant, xenophobic and offensive. Nevermind that you served as a combatant for a government that routinely threatens the existence of all Iranians in Iran via the use of nuclear weapons. It is amazing that you would display such incredible bias and deception towards Hamas' less violent goal of eliminating a nation state nominally - and not even to take over its resources or invade its sovereignty - rather to return a piece of land to people who lived on it before it was given away by a foreign power. Your objection here is what exactly? That Hamas wants to mimic the type of strategy which led to the creation of Israel? There are plenty of good humane reasons to denounce Hamas. From their disregard for Israeli civilians to their oppression and mistreatment of their own people. But to parrot this deceptive narrative about Hamas wanting to murder all Jews is a joke. Hamas would not have the power it has if not for Israeli Jews allowing them to monopolize the tunnels in Gaza, if not for Israeli Jews essentially turning them into cult like heroes by demonizing them during an election campaign. Hamas owes everything they have today to the blockade and to the incessant collateral murder of Palestinians.
Why even bother bickering about what is and isn't Hamas's official position? Humans are capable of lying so that's unreliable. Instead look at their behavior. Hamas targets civilians with no military value as much as possible. They behave like an organization trying to commit genocide. Israel does not. Israel restrains themselves and targets things of military value. Sometimes this leads to death due to Hamas using human shields.
Where in there does it justify the murder of 250 children in 3 weeks? Answer me, what did Hamas' top official, Khaled Meshaal say to Charlie Rose this week? Updates have been made to Hamas' position since 1988 you know...
We are debating it because Mathloon has called people liars for saying that is the official position of Hamas, has argued that it would be illogical (lol duh) and then claimed we use shoddy sources to say that. His very own source says exactly what I said it said. LOL
Where in my post did I support or defend the death of any children? Mathloon specifically said I was wrong about the charter. We are debating what it is in the charter. If there is an official change to the charter I'd like to see it. I have searched and have not found a new one.
right and i am saying it doesn't matter because its not like Hamas is above lying on their charter. Their actions are a better gauge of their true nature. Hamas's actions certainly back up your claim that they wish to kill all jews. Israel on the other hand has shown tons of military restraint. They could blow up Gaza today if they wish. Israel's action prove their goal is not destruction of Palestine or its people.
Exactly. Israel has the ability to wipe out all 1.8 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip in a matter of hours if that was their goal so the "genocide" BS is laughable. As to the Palestinians, they do the best they can to kill Israelis but they don't have the ability to kill them all or they would. I don't really think any of that is arguable.
The leader of Hamas is not naive enough to tell an American reporter that his ultimate goal is to kill all Jews. Its called PR.
(Note: you are correct I didn't realize Hamas was translated as Islamic Resistance Movement in English) So, 1988 right? But there is a new covenant. Where is it in there? If I were to post a charter of one of the founding militant organizations which merged into the government of Israel, and that charter included a goal to take all off the currently inhabited land and deport the current inhabitants by force, would that be an indication that the Israeli government wants to murder all Arabs in that area? Also, can you post the link you initially used please? There was some interesting wording in there I'd like to explore.
So why don't they change it and why do they still tell their children that killing all Jews is a good thing to do on their official network programming? BTW… that children television show is called 'Tomorrow's Pioneers' and its original air date is 2006-2009 and was aired on Hamas' official network Al-Aqsa TV. So 2006-2009... Pretty far removed from 1988.
Who's "they"? Who is "their children"? Hamas' children? Palestinians are human beings like you and me, stop talking about them like George Wallace once spoke of blacks in the Jim Crow South. You do understand that Palestinian men, women, and children are just as precious as we are, right?
What a ridiculously stupid argument. Israel wouldn't dare do what you are so idiotically purporting. They know if they were to do that, even their biggest ally would ostracize them and most likely intervene militarily. Instead they use false pretexts to wage war with completely disproportionate responses. Pretexts like the kidnappings/killing of those 3 Israelis, yet not provide any shred of evidence. Pretexts like they are there to destroy the tunnels... something that they caused to exist by purposefully collectively punishing the Gazans and putting them into a humanitarian crisis. If they were really there to be destroying those tunnels, then why in the world would they intentionally target the only power plant in Gaza?
Reread my edited comment. That show is aired on Hamas' official network. When I refer to "they" i am referring to Hamas as this entire discussion was about. Stop accusing me of racisism. You know nothing about me and my post history.
Seriously what is up with posters on both sides pulling the quick draw on accusations such as being called a racist or a terrorist sympathizer... Chill down. Damn!
Well if you were following along, clearly "they" would be Hamas....you know, the organization that he was talking about for the past hour Again, if you were following along, clearly he was talking about "Hamas' children" or the Palestinians. How are you having a tough time tracking this conversation? No one suggested otherwise. No one did. I'm not going to shed too many tears over the death of morons who elected a terrorist government or the death of their children that happened as a result. It's sad that dumb people do dumb things that lead to negative consequences, but hey, it was their choice. That's the beauty of freedom, you have the freedom to screw yourself and your family over. Hopefully some of those children grow up to be smarter than their parents and make better decisions.
