<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=1dcaac34971b" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Israel levels a Gaza village in about an hour.
It is an interesting idea that Egypt take Gaza but I strongly doubt they would and given what has been going on there probably would have very little interest in US arm twisting to do so. Further given the precarious situation in Egypt now I highly doubt it is in the US interest to pressure Egypt to take Gaza. At this point I don't think there are any real good solutions to the situation. My own feeling is that the only solution that is viable is for Israel to build a wall close to the 1967 borders with land and water concessions to Palestinians for some of the larger settlements. Lift the economic blockade of Gaza while strengthening defenses along the border. If Gazans have open access to trade and foreign resources and things don't improve economically they probably will kick Hamas out. This solution wouldn't end all violence but as Rabin said any peace has to be the peace of the brave. As long as each side allows extremists to derail peace and development will never improve.
Again you have no idea what Hamas really wants or would do if conditions change. You have zero idea about that. We do know what will happen if Israel keeps carrying on as they are now. We know because we've seen it time and time again. We know what happens if Hamas keeps going on as they did time and time again. We've seen it before over and over. What we haven't seen is a Palestinian territory that is actually sustainable and controlled by Palestinians. Until that happens neither you nor I really know what will happen. One thing that might well happen is that Hamas which wasn't popular before the Israeli attacks might lose popularity again and Hamas won't really have a say in what happens. Either way if Israel agrees and takes real steps into making the Palestinian territories sustainable and not under the discrimination that is imposed by Israel, and Hamas breaks their peace agreement, then Israel can always go back to doing what they are doing now. What you seem to be saying is that you will let the terrorist organization control the situation. Why let terrorists stop Israel from allowing the Palestinians from having a sustainable state? I like the idea of the terrorists not having that much control.
Your claim is that Palestinians in Gaza are the heirs of the Nazis, one made in Israeli schools and many Israeli universities. This kind of claim does an overwhelming disservice to the millions of lost souls who suffered under Nazism and trashes the memory of the Holocaust. It's absurd, insensitive, and prejudicial.
As I said it's an interesting idea but consider it from the Al Sisi's side. Gaza is dense and a long way from Cairo. Even with massive amounts of aid it will still have to be policed and adminstered. The Egyptian government is having enough problems administering their own territory to take on the challenge of 2 million people that have been suffering from economic blockade, bombings and corruption. Hamas isn't a friend of the Egyptian military and have been previously allied with the Muslim Brotherhood. Do you think Al Sisi would suddenly want thousands of well armed and battle hardened allies of the Muslim Brotherhood within his borders. While this is a different idea I think Egypt taking over Gaza is fairly unrealistic.
If a political / economic solution is idealist and will not work then there is no solution and the conflict will simply continue. There isn't a military solution, that's for sure. If you think Israel will allow Palestinians to have an airport in Gaza you're the one being naive. Hamas will not make peace until it results in a Palestinian state. Egypt will not take Gaza without Hamas disbanding. You can call Hamas whatever you like, but it is the gov't of Gaza for better or worse. If you think their sole aim is to destroy Israel and nothing else, then there is no solution anyway. So it's either let the bloodshed continue, or try to make a sustainable viable Palestinian state. No way Saudi Arabia and Egypt will settle for anything less. And you guys think I am naive? Really? No body wants the Palestinians. NOBODY. The Palestinians are just a gigolo afterall.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=656664 Make me wonder, if they can't do justice to their own people, how can u expect it toward Palestinian!
Wrong. Here's a solution - http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/11/29/179914.html 3.8 million foreign workers in the UAE alone, mainly from the Asian subcontinent. They are mainly working menial, blue collar jobs and living in special quarters on the outskirts of the city. I would kick out the current low wage labor force (which I hear is still paid much more than standard Asian wages) and start giving the Palestinians a little hope. Gaza is too misinformed too know what's good for them, voting Hamas into power showed that. The onus should be on the international community, but the nations of the Middle East moreso. Can't claim to be religious and serving allah then turning your back on your brothers when they need your help.
As I stated earlier, both sides are scumbags, but the power is within the hands of one. Obviously war is inherently brutal, but one group is just so damn powerful relative to the other. I would not even call this a war. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-repo...as-human-shields-abusing-children-in-custody/ U.N. report accuses Israeli forces of using Palestinian children as human shields, abusing children in custody A United Nations committee focused on youth rights accused Israel Thursday of failing to stop the mistreatment of Palestinian children in military and police custody. The group's report accuses Israeli forces of using Palestinian children as human shields, and alleges that detained children in some cases face torture, solitary confinement and threats of sexual assault. Assembled by the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child, the 21-page document comes three months after a UNICEF paper criticized the "systematic and institutionalized" mistreatment of Palestinian children detained by the Israeli military. The Israeli Embassy dismissed the latest U.N. report as politically motivated old news. "This is a report that is based on the recycling of old accusations, based on political biases - and not based on direct investigation on the ground - with the intention of bashing Israel," Israeli Embassy spokesman Aaron Sagui said in a statement provided to CBSNews.com. "This is clearly not a bona fide action, and the resulting report obviously does not aim to promote any real improvement as the UNICEF report did ... but only to make headlines." While the Committee on the Rights of the Child acknowledges Israel's national security concerns, and that children on both sides of the conflict have suffered from the violence, it notes that Palestinians make up a disproportionate amount of the victims and lists Israel's "illegal long-lasting occupation of Palestinian territory" among the actions jeopardizing a peaceful future for Israeli and Palestinian children. One of the more explosive allegations in the report is the "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants," of which the report says 14 cases have been reported in the last 3 years. "[Israel's] soldiers have used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings ahead of them and to stand in front of military vehicles in order to stop the throwing of stones against those vehicles," the committee writes in the report, citing the U.N.'s Special Rapporteur on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights and Fundemental Freedoms while Countering Terrorism. According to the report, such activity has largely gone unpunished. "The soldiers convicted for having forced at gunpoint a nine-year old child to search bags suspected of containing explosives only received a suspended sentence of three months and were demoted." In a follow-up statement, Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs called the human shield accusations "salient in bad faith." "The authors were fully informed (by an official Israeli document submitted by an Israeli delegation) that instructions have indeed been issued and that the use of children as human shields is totally forbidden," the statement reads, adding that no human shield incidents have been "registered and proven." The U.N. report directs its harshest accusations at the alleged torture and mistreatment of Palestinian children in Israeli military and police custody. Children detained in areas like Gaza and the West Bank, the report says, are "systematically subject to physical and verbal violence, humiliation, painful restraints, hooding of the head and face in a sack, threatened with death, physical violence, and sexual assault against themselves or members of their family, restricted access to toilet, food and water." In its statement, Israel's Ministry of Foreign affairs said the report's claims of corporal punishment in detention are "totally unsubstantiated and inaccurate." Many of the report's accusations of child detainee mistreatment, though, mirror findings in the review UNICEF released in March, a review Israeli spokesmen have pointed to as credible. "Israel has nothing to hide and when addressed by a serious and credible organization such as UNICEF, we cooperate and strive to implement the recommendations of its reports," Israeli Embassy spokesman Sagui said in a statement. UNICEF's March review, while tamer and more focused than the sprawling report by the U.N.'s Committee on the Rights of the Child, also includes serious charges concerning the treatment of Palestinian children in military custody, including "examples of practices that amount to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." "The common experience of many children is being aggressively awakened in the middle of the night by many armed soldiers and being forcibly brought to an interrogation centre tied and blindfolded, sleep deprived and in a state of extreme fear," the UNICEF paper reads. "The interrogation mixes intimidation, threats and physical violence, with the clear purpose of forcing the child to confess." Both reports note that Palestinian children are often accused of throwing stones at Israeli military vehicles, and charge Israeli forces with sometimes subjecting young suspects to solitary confinement. Both reports allege that the children are sometimes coerced into confessions, often by signing forms written in Hebrew, a language the reports note most Palestinian children don't understand. The Committee on the Rights of the Child's report, Israel's MFA went on to say in its statement, reflected poorly on the U.N. "The list of false, flawed and gratuitous allegations goes on and on: this report is shaming the institution which commissioned it."
Thats precisely what I did, I considered it from Al Sisi's side. His biggest concern is staying in power, and reducing the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood or any other Islamic Fundamentalist faction. Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood are one in the same. Hamas going to war against Israel rallies the Egyptian people around the Muslim Brotherhood. This is bad for Al Sisi. What else is bad for Al Sisi is Turkey, Qatar, Iran, and Hezbollah arming Hamas on Egypt's borders. That would be the equivalent of Cuba being armed by Mexico, Brazil and Venezuela right in America's backyard. Except that all these countries are vying for influence over the Middle East. Read into the geopolitics of the Middle East, part of the reason there are so many problems in the Middle East is because there is no one country that solely speaks for the Muslim world. At this moment in time, there are 5 different countries (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Qatar) all wanting to be the "voice" of the Muslim world. Each distrust one another. So to have Iran and Turkey in the backyard of Egypt is very problematic, its a regional rival trying to overstep their influence.
There is a solution which is the peace initiative of 2002 by the Arab. Sooner is better than later, more regional power-house are lining to establish their military nuclear program
I agree this would be a good solution. The problem is that for a country to become more democratic less religious a country needs peace. A war only helps the extremists.
"Conditions have changed" in the past. Hamas has never changed its ultimate goal. How about, to get an idea, you look into their charter? Israel will arise and continue to exist until Islam abolishes it, as it abolished what went before. The time [Judgment Day] will not come until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them and until the Jew hides behind the rocks and trees, and [then] the rocks and trees will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding [behind me], come and kill him. Jihad is its [Hamas'] path and death for the sake of Allah is the most exalted wish. [Diplomatic] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences to find a solution to the Palestinian problem, contradict Hamas’ ideological position. What about this charter does not give you an idea about what they really want?
Glynch brushes off Hamas's talk of wanting the destruction of Israel, and than in the same breath claims that the "insane" Israelis want total elimination of Iran. Right.
Nope. My claim is that glych's argument that 'if something is human they can be dealt with' is wrong. At least 160 children killed building Hamas tunnels Hamas uses children to help them target other children for death. Hamas also has the support of Progressives to their cause.
It's amazing how few Americans realize the racism, imperialism and criminality inherent in the idea of "letting" Egypt take Gaza. Here's a response of proportionate standard to the original idea: Go F*** Yourself. Giving someone else's land to a third unrelated party is exactly how your state and its incestuous colonial brethren started this mess.
Meanwhile: He's referring of course to the Israeli teens kidnapped, and not the Palestinian teens who were shot or burned alive or buried alive. Must be some uneducated fool. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/...s-the-only-thing-that-deters-suicide-bombers/
Yes it's in Hamas Charter. Their charter hasn't changed. However it's better to leave the rhetoric from Hamas out of it and not let a terrorist group control whether or not to take steps towards a lasting peace or not. So Israel should take advantage of the proposal of the 10 year cease fire and try something different than what they are trying now, which we all know does not work in the long run because it's been done time and time again. Furthermore if Hamas can't govern well when there's peace they will be voted out of power. They were unpopular before Israel's latest military action, and without the Israelis killing civilians and building support for Hamas there is a real chance they don't hold on to power. All Israel has to do is try. If it doesn't work they can always go back to bombing and destroying whatever they want to in Gaza.
