Like Batman, not Jones, I go where the danger is.... You are the angry one calling names. I'm going with YOU on the Unreasonable Vote!
Reasonable would be the person willing to compromise. Unreasonable would be the one who wouldn't. Unreasonable people, in my book, are also idiots, so your label is well deserved.
I understand that Chamomile Tea is good for this condition. Are you telling us that no human being has some one or more values that they would not compromise on? Because that makes them all IDIOTS in your book. I bet you are the lone exception, right?! You need to take yourself a little less seriously and keep your nose out of my .... value system. :grin:
I'm pretty sure that most of the reasonable ones would compromise on nearly any topic. The ones who wouldn't probably shouldn't be taken seriously on that topic as they are too emotionally involved to be taken seriously. I'll get out of your value system when you get the eff out of womens'.
Which one of us is having a temper tantrum when they find that they can't badger someone into agreeing with them?
Lol at society. Conservatives across the nation rave about how much they care about LIFE yet theres 55,000 children at our borders that they are perfectly fine with condemning to death back in their South American homes, which I might add are 2x more dangerous than Iraq at the peak of the Iraq invasion. Forget about the argument of when life starts for a second... If we are so concerned about being able to sustain 55,000 kids at our borders, how would we imagine to take care of the millions and millions of unwanted kids born into poverty, crime, and hate? Besides, if you make it illegal, people will try to take matters into their own hands with back alley abortions and what not. Sorry, this issue is not so black and white, in the end it should be in the hands of the mother, I am all for the regulations that are in place now (besides the ones that make it so ****ing hard to find a place to get an abortion in the state of Texas)
That is not what I meant. The best example I can think of is that I've seen people here claim that a baby in utero is not human because it is not of the age where brain waves can be detected. Stuff like that...
Fetuses in utero are not human, though there is not a magic line they pass scientifically, the determination of "humanness" is a compromise opinion, a best estimate after consideration by reasonable men, for the practical purpose of deciding the legality of medical procedures. If you adhere to the "potential for life" reasoning, it extrapolates back to the sperm and you'd have the outlaw male masterbation. So, it's not an arbitrary or particularly scientific point, it's a practical/legal designation determined to function in the society that decides it, i.e. provide for individual choice and prevent radical (violent) reactions. It's how we do things in a multicultural society.
I'm one of these people except I don't believe that fetus aren't human. I believe they aren't alive (a living person yet). Because I'm not tied to some psuedo religious fairy tale indoctrination I prefer to look at things scientifically. Life doesn't begin at conception. Cell division begins at conception. Since no one knows when life actually begins, I choose to reverse engineer the question. What is death? Brain death, as practiced in medical science, defines death as a point in time at which brain activity ceases. The possession of brain activities, or capability to resume brain activity, is a necessary condition to legal personhood in the United States. So logically I think life is the opposite of death. Therefor if I was to wave my magic wand and put a stake in the ground on the issue of abortion... I'd say, no more abortion after there is the presence of measurable brain activity. But that's just my logical opinion.
I follow your logic; I just don't happen to agree with it because it leaves out any consideration except for current scientific understanding.
I agree that there is no magic line. What I was saying is that different interests posit a magic line up until which they allow themselves to find a way to justify abortion. For me, it is best identified as the moment of conception and has nothing to do with the dead sperm in old T-shirts around the world. Medicine's first promise is "DO NO HARM." There ya go! How do they get around that?
So again you have no realistic solution to the root causes or how to deal with the implications of dealing with the issue. This is the type of shortsighted thinking that got us things like Prohibition.
Why should I be cautious when I'm wanting to save lives? I have ideas. Your problem with them is that they put the burden right back on the people who are causing the problem... as it should be. I understand your lack or urgency since you don't care about the children but I do care about the children being sacrificed first and foremost. It's not form over function is this scenario.
And you leave out every single consideration save consideration for the fetus. As such, your desire to ban abortion is unlikely to ever come to fruition.
