I went to a large Houston public high school with almost 700 graduates in my class. I was not raised Catholic. My dad dropped me off at a local Methodist church on his way to the golf course. My brother and I either walked 2 miles home or caught a ride with someone. At age 12 I was given the option to stop going to church. I stopped and didn't really go back for about 25 years. No one is powerless over their sexuality. That is one of the BS myths that you have accepted because it freed you to act irresponsibly. It is hard for a young person to ignore those urges for sure. I did it as have others. It is hardly impossible. Valuable things are supposed to be a bit difficult. Why do women wrangle and suffer heartache with a decision to abort if they don't love their baby? The answer is that they do love their baby, but they've been sold a bill of goods that it's better to abort it. Thus the tears. I get criticized for not recognizing enough that it is a heart-wrenching decision to abort and now I'm getting told that those people don't really love the baby enough.... yet there are still all those tears. Which is it?
Yes, and how? Through a partial ban? A total ban? Criminal penalties for abortion clinics? You wouldn't be having this argument if you weren't lamenting Roe v Wade.
1-If they were, would that make you think lesser of consenting adults? 2-sex is a grotesque and amusing object in America, pull out a pair of breasts and it's apocalypse zero. If you think what passes in American media is in any way a mature discussion of sexuality---ha. It's a shame compared to the true beauty sex has. I'm guessing you haven't ever ventured into Amsterdam. http://www.alternet.org/story/15497..._makes_america_a_less_healthy_and_happy_place 5 Countries That Do It Better: How Sexual Prudery Makes America a Less Healthy and Happy Place 4-You could "lay low" and come out with actual insights, research, or solutions that advance your point of view rather than bombarding people with emotional fluff.
1. I was just disagreeing with your "individual punishment for collective failure" remark. 2. Not into Amsterdam. Not sure that I buy the true beauty angle. Sex as sport loses intimacy. 3. We don't need new insights (the plain truth is sufficient). Research what? The only worthy solution is to stop killing babies. I know you gain by complicating things but we don't have to go down that path. It's hardly fluff to recognize a fetus as a human being rather than a mass of cells.
The only worthy solution is to reduce drug use. The only worthy solution is to reduce complex financial fraud. The only solution is to reduce all of the pain, suffering, and evil in this world. You have never defined your solution, so I guess it's hard to really go about "complicating" things with actual real points. As for 2---sex is never sport. sex is much more than what you have been taught to revile.
1) yes it's admirable that you waited to have sex, but again you're in the minority compared to most who have had pre-marital sex. I don't think us pre-marital sex people have been "irresponsible" it's more like we had sex because it's a natural impulse and only religious beliefs make it out to be some evil sin. Yes, people should always use protection..but contraception doesn't always work perfectly..why penalize those who use protection but just got unlucky with the condom slipping off or the pill not working? 2) You're making the point for me. It's a highly emotional and heart-wrenching decision to abort a child. Let's stop it at that. Why punish the woman further??? It makes absolutely no sense. Again, the root of the matter...as a conscious member of society who realizes that it's necessary and responsible to control the population..I respect abortion as a "last step" form of birth control. As others have noted, it's use will continue to not be needed as often with contraceptive advancements.
I've said this before but I have less of a philosophical problem with the position that life begins at conception but what bothers me is that you seem to have no realistic answer to addressing the root causes of abortion or what the implications of doing away with abortion would be. Really? Are you willing to pay the extra taxes for that? Also how is the state going to foot the bill for that if these kids aren't adopted? Would you be for government raising these kids? And as been noted there are many children already who aren't adopted. And what do you expect to happen to all of those unwanted pregnancies that come to term? Considering these children weren't wanted in the first place what sort of care do you think they are going to have? With parents who don't want to care for these kids or economically can't what sort of life are they going to have? This is my problem with much of the pro-life side. They get on the moral high horse about the sanctity of life in utero but do little, or in many cases, make it harder, to deal with lift outside of the womb.
Science isn't used to take away anyone's right. The constitution is used to protect women from the gov't controlling their bodies. 5% is a quite a big drop. That happened mostly in 2009 when the scientific community improved contraceptives. As more people moved from the pill to other means abortion rates dropped. Why only 5% you complain? That's because these advanced contraceptive means are not available to the women having all the abortions because of cost, because repubs are against sex education and preach abstinence only which leads to more abortions, and because republicans want employers to be able to deny contraceptive coverage to employees. So really, your party should take some of the blame for unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions. Maybe if you guys could actually think of logical ways to stop abortions instead of creating them, you could actually carry out your values. But No. You would rather turn a blind eye to stupid policies and instead of trying to reduce abortions through....logical practices...you'd rather just call people who have abortions the devil incarnate. Yeah, really effective.
Why do you say that I have been taught to revile sex? How can sex be "all that" yet it's result be disposable to you? That is a HUGE inconsistency.
1. I don't confess this because it is admirable; I confess it because it is do-able which I was told it was NOT. I don't even tout it as the right thing as long as there is sufficient maturity. A few years ago when my then 23 YO unmarried daughter came with her well-established boyfriend of like age, they shared a bed in our guestroom. I had 7 and 9 YO daughters under the roof. Same scenario when my 26 YO nephew came from CA with his girlfriend. These are not casual sexual relations though and that makes all the difference. 2. Having the abortion is the heart-wrenching event. How is it further punishment to dissuade her of that self-invoked suffering? New challenges for sure but not the anguish that is usually reported.
1. The first part of my message is about sexual discipline and sexual responsibility which hugely curbs unwanted pregnancy. The second part of my message is that abortion is an undesirable option for your failure to practice sexual discipline and sexual responsibility. Perhaps not a clean sweep but that nips most of the problem in the bud. 2. Everyone that I know who is adopting or has adopted has gone overseas at great time and travel and fee expense to adopt. So yes the adoption system in the US is broken somehow and should be fixed. 3. A change of heart is a change of heart. If this is to happen, these people will have a change of heart and love their unborn children-- problem solved on the one front. Affording them is another challenge. As the sacrifice to care for their family, perhaps they will curb their recklessness rather than just pop another one out. 4. One doesn't have to know the cure to recognize the problem. Others may have more or better ideas about that.
1. Science is used to take away the baby's right to life. Why, then, are so many unnaturally convinced that something which will evidence humanity 100% of the time if left alone is not human until some undetermined and unidentifiable magic line is crossed. 2. A 5% drop in 10 Million abortions performed is still 9.5 Million dead babies. Grateful for the half a million saved lives but it is in no way any kind of fix. 3. People not practicing abstinence or safe sex is what leads to"most" unwanted pregnancies. 4. If people would cease turning a blind eye toward their own stupid decisions, the problems would begin to get solved and they wouldn't face a crushing decision about abortion.
I atleast can understand where you're coming from, OP, but let's be frank. Do you agree that there are enormous benefits from people terminating unwanted pregnancies. Emotion aside, is there not a societal gain from this?
Lol at society. Conservatives across the nation rave about how much they care about LIFE yet theres 55,000 children at our borders that they are perfectly fine with condemning to death back in their South American homes, which I might add are 2x more dangerous than Iraq at the peak of the Iraq invasion. Forget about the argument of when life starts for a second... If we are so concerned about being able to sustain 55,000 kids at our borders, how would we imagine to take care of the millions and millions of unwanted kids born into poverty, crime, and hate? Besides, if you make it illegal, people will try to take matters into their own hands with back alley abortions and what not. Sorry, this issue is not so black and white, in the end it should be in the hands of the mother, I am all for the regulations in place now however.
Americans don't want black babies. Non-black babies are 7 times more likely to be adopted. Black children are disproportionally represented in the system (higher, obviously) and thus left behind creating a lovely cycle. People also mostly want girls. China was solving both of those problems (a lot of girls who are not black) but now they are trying to restrict export of babies. The US also restricts or bars international adoptions, single-parent adoptions, and same-sex adoptions depending on state. Good luck fixing adoption bias.
Bull****. One side does have room for compromise and even your side does, at least occasionally. That is, unless you're one of the ones who would disallow abortion even in the cases of rape, incest, and when the health of the mother is at stake. There is plenty of room for compromise for reasonable people, I'm sorry you don't qualify under that heading. To our nation's credit, yes. We have, for 40 years now, allowed women the dignity of a choice that they don't have to make in a back alley, one that is unlikely to endanger their lives, and one made far away from the idiots like you who would shame them. The fetus is only a "life" if the woman it is growing inside decides that she wants to bear it. Get your effing nose out of other people's uterus's. It doesn't belong there, you're not welcome there, and you don't have any right to be there.
Clearly. This is one of the reasons that should be your focus rather than a paper ban that would do nothing but make the situation worse.
Wow, somebody rolled out on the wrong side of bed morning. Perhaps I did overstate the "no room for compromise." There is some but it is pretty small. Your side still wants readily available abortion which will mean millions upon millions of dead babies still. Did you get the 40th YEAR T-shirt? So now the baby is a life if and only if its mother says so... My effing nose goes where the danger is... I didn't and would't choose that place.
You do choose the place. You're the one choosing to stick your nose where it doesn't belong. At least you can admit that you aren't reasonable.
